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Bryan Pendleton commented on DERBY-866:
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I'm having a bit of trouble following the overall threat model. My initial 
reaction is that the
primary problem you're worried about here is the overall security of the 
Network Server, as
distinct from the security of the individual database(s) it is providing access 
to; is that correct?

It seems like the secondary problem has to do with properly securing a backup 
of a database,
since the backup contains information that is as sensitive as the database 
itself. But that
seems quite separate from the topic of Network Server security, no?

I guess I feel like you're striking out into new ground, and away from the 
original goals of DERBY-866,
and possibly in multiple directions at once.

Very valuable thoughts, and thanks for sharing them! I'm just having a bit of 
trouble following it all.

                
> Derby User Management Enhancements
> ----------------------------------
>
>                 Key: DERBY-866
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-866
>             Project: Derby
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: Services
>    Affects Versions: 10.2.1.6
>            Reporter: Francois Orsini
>         Attachments: Derby_User_Enhancement.html, 
> Derby_User_Enhancement_v1.1.html
>
>
> Proposal to enhance Derby's Built-In DDL User Management. (See proposal spec 
> attached to the JIRA).
> Abstract:
> This feature aims at improving the way BUILT-IN users are managed in Derby by 
> providing a more intuitive and familiar DDL interface. Currently (in 
> 10.1.2.1), Built-In users can be defined at the system and/or database level. 
> Users created at the system level can be defined via JVM or/and Derby system 
> properties in the derby.properties file. Built-in users created at the 
> database level are defined via a call to a Derby system procedure 
> (SYSCS_UTIL.SYSCS_SET_DATABASE_PROPERTY) which sets a database property.
> Defining a user at the system level is very convenient and practical during 
> the development phase (EOD) of an application - However, the user's password 
> is not encrypted and consequently appears in clear in the derby.properties 
> file. Hence, for an application going into production, whether it is embedded 
> or not, it is preferable to create users at the database level where the 
> password is encrypted.
> There is no real ANSI SQL standard for managing users in SQL but by providing 
> a more intuitive and known interface, it will ease Built-In User management 
> at the database level as well as Derby's adoption.

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