The issue I have is connecting with a Java client. I will try and put together 
a simple example this week.

From: Rick Hillegas <rick.hille...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 4:04 PM
To: derby-user@db.apache.org
Subject: Re: Embedded database, authentication, and derby.system.home

Hi Michael,

I must be missing something in your description of the problem, because I 
cannot reproduce it. I have created the following scripts in order to reproduce 
the behavior of both changing the value of derby.system.home and moving the 
database to another directory:

First SQL script nativeTest.sql:

CONNECT 'jdbc:derby:/Users/rhillegas/derby/mainline/z/db1;create=true;user=dbo';



CALL syscs_util.syscs_create_user( 'DBO', 'dbo_password' );



-- shutdown in order to enable NATIVE authentication

CONNECT 'jdbc:derby:/Users/rhillegas/derby/mainline/z/db1;shutdown=true';



CONNECT 
'jdbc:derby:/Users/rhillegas/derby/mainline/z/db1;user=dbo;password=dbo_password';



VALUES SYSCS_UTIL.SYSCS_GET_DATABASE_PROPERTY('derby.authentication.provider');



CREATE TABLE t(a INT);

INSERT INTO t VALUES (1), (2);


Second SQL script nativeTest2.sql:

CONNECT 
'jdbc:derby:/Users/rhillegas/derby/mainline/zz/db1;user=dbo;password=dbo_password';



SELECT * FROM t;


Then a shell script (z1) to run nativeTest.sql, move the database to another 
directory, then run nativeTest2.sql:

#! /bin/bash

#

# Run a derby test



rm -rf z/db1

rm -rf zz/db1

rm zzz/*

rm zzzz/*



. setupClasspath



java -cp $CLASSPATH -Dderby.system.home=/Users/rhillegas/derby/mainline/zzz 
-Dderby.language.logStatementText=true -Dderby.stream.error.logSeverityLevel=0 
org.apache.derby.tools.ij  $MAC_HOME/sql/nativeTest.sql



mv z/db1 zz/



java -cp $CLASSPATH -Dderby.system.home=/Users/rhillegas/derby/mainline/zzzz 
-Dderby.language.logStatementText=true -Dderby.stream.error.logSeverityLevel=0 
org.apache.derby.tools.ij  $MAC_HOME/sql/nativeTest2.sql


When I run z1, I get the following output:

ij version 10.16

ij> CONNECT 
'jdbc:derby:/Users/rhillegas/derby/mainline/z/db1;create=true;user=dbo';

ij> CALL syscs_util.syscs_create_user( 'DBO', 'dbo_password' );

0 rows inserted/updated/deleted

ij> -- shutdown in order to enable NATIVE authentication

CONNECT 'jdbc:derby:/Users/rhillegas/derby/mainline/z/db1;shutdown=true';

ERROR 08006: Database '/Users/rhillegas/derby/mainline/z/db1' shutdown.

ij> CONNECT 
'jdbc:derby:/Users/rhillegas/derby/mainline/z/db1;user=dbo;password=dbo_password';

ij(CONNECTION1)> VALUES 
SYSCS_UTIL.SYSCS_GET_DATABASE_PROPERTY('derby.authentication.provider');

1

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NATIVE::LOCAL



1 row selected

ij(CONNECTION1)> CREATE TABLE t(a INT);

0 rows inserted/updated/deleted

ij(CONNECTION1)> INSERT INTO t VALUES (1), (2);

2 rows inserted/updated/deleted

ij(CONNECTION1)> ij version 10.16

ij> CONNECT 
'jdbc:derby:/Users/rhillegas/derby/mainline/zz/db1;user=dbo;password=dbo_password';

ij> SELECT * FROM t;

A

-----------

1

2



2 rows selected


Can you post a similar set of scripts which demonstrate the problem you are 
seeing?

Thanks,
-Rick

On 3/19/21 11:14 AM, Michael Remijan wrote:

NATIVE.



After creating the database I, I set the 'sa' user like this:



ij> CALL SYSCS_UTIL.SYSCS_CREATE_USER('sa', 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx');



Then I create the application user like this:



CALL SYSCS_UTIL.SYSCS_CREATE_USER('resiste_standalone', 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx');



And I have the following in derby.properties



# Passwords don't expire for 20 years

derby.authentication.native.passwordLifetimeMillis=631138520000

# Use the best hash algorithm you can

derby.authentication.builtin.algorithm=SHA-512

# Use a larger salt length for better security

derby.authentication.builtin.saltLength=128

# Re-hash this number of times for better security

derby.authentication.builtin.iterations=1564



BTW, I've updated code to dynamically 
System.setProperty("derby.system.home","/path/to/dir"); at runtime based off of 
user configuration. That been successful. So if I move the database to 
somewhere other than my application's default location, I set derby.system.home 
at runtime based on that configuration.



I also found that this is only a factor with embedded databases where the path 
to the database is a fully qualified file system path. If the configuration 
uses a remote database, the value for derby.system.home doesn't seem to matter.



-----Original Message-----

From: Rick Hillegas <rick.hille...@gmail.com><mailto:rick.hille...@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 11:22 AM

To: derby-user@db.apache.org<mailto:derby-user@db.apache.org>

Subject: Re: Embedded database, authentication, and derby.system.home



Hi Mike,



What kind of authentication are you using: LDAP, NATIVE, or custom?



On 3/19/21 7:05 AM, Michael Remijan wrote:

Greetings,



I have an interesting issue I just ran into and it took a little while to debug 
and figure out exactly what is happening.



I have a project that uses an embedded Derby database.  My project folder 
organization is a typical for an open source project:



/projectname

    /bin

        start.sh   // starts the application

   /data

      /projectdb  // this is the derby database.



My projectdb database also has a specific username, password, and 
permissions/roles on that user.



When I start the application, the "start.sh" script sets the 
-Dderby.system.home to the "/data" directory and my JDBC connection URL figures 
out the fully qualified location of the "/projectdb" directory so Derby can 
easily access it. This all works perfectly fine.



Then I wanted to run a test where I moved the /projectdb directory to a 
different location. I though  I would be able to do this with no problems. But 
I was wrong :( When I do this I get the following authentication exception



Caused by: java.sql.SQLNonTransientConnectionException: Connection 
authentication failure occurred.  Reason: Invalid authentication..

         at 
org.apache.derby.impl.jdbc.SQLExceptionFactory.getSQLException(Unknown Source)

         at 
org.apache.derby.impl.jdbc.SQLExceptionFactory.getSQLException(Unknown Source)

         at org.apache.derby.impl.jdbc.Util.generateCsSQLException(Unknown 
Source)

         at org.apache.derby.impl.jdbc.Util.generateCsSQLException(Unknown 
Source)

         at org.apache.derby.impl.jdbc.EmbedConnection.newSQLException(Unknown 
Source)

         at 
org.apache.derby.impl.jdbc.EmbedConnection.checkUserCredentials(Unknown Source)

         at org.apache.derby.impl.jdbc.EmbedConnection.<init>(Unknown Source)

         at org.apache.derby.jdbc.InternalDriver$1.run(Unknown Source)

         at org.apache.derby.jdbc.InternalDriver$1.run(Unknown Source)

         at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)

         at org.apache.derby.jdbc.InternalDriver.getNewEmbedConnection(Unknown 
Source)

         at org.apache.derby.jdbc.InternalDriver.connect(Unknown Source)

         at org.apache.derby.jdbc.InternalDriver.connect(Unknown Source)

         at org.apache.derby.jdbc.AutoloadedDriver.connect(Unknown Source)

         at java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection(DriverManager.java:664)

         at java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection(DriverManager.java:247)

         at 
org.ferris.resiste.console.sql.SqlConnectionProducer.postConstruct(SqlConnectionProducer.java:31)

         ... 67 more

Caused by: ERROR 08004: Connection authentication failure occurred.  Reason: 
Invalid authentication..

         at org.apache.derby.iapi.error.StandardException.newException(Unknown 
Source)

         at 
org.apache.derby.impl.jdbc.SQLExceptionFactory.wrapArgsForTransportAcrossDRDA(Unknown
 Source)

         ... 84 more



Which I thought was kind of odd. What I eventually discovered is the 
-Dderby.system.home value and the location of the database must be in sync. If 
they are not, I get the authentication exception. If do not set the 
-Dderby.system.home value, I get this authentication exception.



Originally, I remember setting the -Dderby.system.home value because I wanted 
the derby.log files created in that directory. I didn't expect this value would 
also be critical for connecting to the database with a username/password.  I 
haven't tried it unauthenticated, but it seems to me I should be able to move 
the location of the database around and as long as I'm connecting to the 
database, authentication should work OK regardless of -Dderby.system.home and 
the location of the database being in sync.  This make sense?



Thanks!

Mike






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