Wolfgang Keller wrote
> MS has always been at the antipode of ergonomics. And they keep moving
> in the *wrong* direction. "Ribbons" ... are just the latest cerebral
> flatulances 
> emanating from their "product managers' "brains".

Lol! 

BTW: The younger (LO) users are the more they accept Ribbons [1]. Ribbon
controls intend to show all at once, as Astron says. Additionally, MS wants
to get rid of the main menu for touch screen use. The trade-off is that
some, seldom used function were "menuized", ie. placed into pulldown
controls. But those menus thwart the idea of a toolbar: fast access to a few
functions. The idea behind is nevertheless worth to discuss, but for the
purpose of strategical decisions (where LO wants to go) and not singular
improvements (simpler toolbar).

[1] http://user-prompt.com/libreoffice-user-research-results-vol-4/


Wolfgang Keller wrote
> It has been proven over and over again that "separator" lines do
> *NOT* "separate". They effectively do the *opposite*, besides adding
> elements that are just confusing for the eyes.

Please prove this statement. At least separator's appearance should be
defined by the theme. 


Stefan Knorr (Astron)-2 wrote
> I have uploaded the file to
> 
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/87946285/libreoffice/OOo31_Usage_Feedback_Data.ods

Thanks a lot!



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