Hi Emily, On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Colin Walters <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Emily, > > On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 10:27 -0400, Emily Gonyer wrote: > > Then the design team ought to be more open about what exactly 'their' > > vision for gnome is, as well as open to other ideas/concepts. > > Insisting on doing things their way, while being extremely vague as to > > what exactly their way *is* is not helpful to the rest of the > > community who is trying to get stuff done. IMHO the entire community > > is rather insulated from itself and rather hard to break into w/o > > serious help from someone already on the 'inside' as it were. If you > > haven't been around for years, no-one seems to particularly care what > > you have to say. Even finding these sorts of discussions isn't exactly > > easy, let alone making your voice heard. > > Your criticism here has merit, but I would assert that there is > some degree of this kind of insularity in many communities and > organizations. A lot of communities rely implicitly on what in politics > is called "political capital" - where to cause a change, particularly > one that implies work by other people, you need to have built > up some goodwill and/or reputation. > I agree, this is a really intimidating part of joining the community. When I was doing my OPW internship, I was also really intimidated by the Design Team in particular -- which was bad because I was working on a project with Design Team members. Part of the reason I felt that way was that there was a discussion a lot like this one going on on the mailing list. I'm not saying that I think the situation is perfect -- sometimes I have a hard time dealing with working in the open and the criticism that goes along with it. I do think (and I've contributed to design but no one has ever called me a design team member) that there are issues in the community that need to be resolved, so I think the discussion is productive, as long as we aren't sending a negative message to newcomers or letting the community splinter over issues like this. Meg Ford > > In my work on the engineering side, I react completely differently > to people who I know have contributed something already versus ones > I don't know, because I have some assurance that by helping them > solve their problem, they are likely to help me later in some way. > > But again, I'm not saying that there's no problem - there clearly are > things we as a community could do significantly better. > > > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list >
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