I think the original thread was to talk about the new plans for GNOME 3.12. If you want to have a flame about or against FreeBSD, you should start a new thread, having this one to discuss about plans and some new features for 3.12.
Thanks 2013/9/24 Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) <[email protected]> > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Alberto Ruiz <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey Andrew, Zeeshan, > > > > 2013/9/24 Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) <[email protected]>: > >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Andrew W. Nosenko > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Jasper St. Pierre > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Andy Tai <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> what would this mean for systems not using systemd? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Systems not using systemd already fall back to ConsoleKit, which does > not > >>>> have any maintainer. We don't support features like suspend or > hibernate on > >>>> ConsoleKit anymore and it's pretty much on life support only at this > point. > >>>> > >>>> For 3.12, we will keep the old gnome-session and gdm code that uses > >>>> ConsoleKit and fork/exec ourselves in the case where you compile > without > >>>> logind support, but I wouldn't expect it to be around much longer. > >>>> > >>>> Do you have any specific examples of systems not using systemd that > you > >>>> would like to run GNOME on? > >>>> > >>> > >>> Did you heard about FreeBSD? > >> > >> How many people use FreeBSD? I doubt its a significant enough number > >> for us to spend our time and resources on it. > > > > Really? How many people use GNU/Linux distros? From that POV we are > > better off targeting Android. I don't think GNOME is in the OS > > popularity contest. > > Android is not free, I said 'free'. If FreeBSD had users comparable to > that of Linux, why is it that in almost every other free software > project, developers target Linux first, if they target any other free > OS at all. We can't buildup a complete system based on Android anyway > even if it was free since its already a complete system. > > > There are much more compelling answers to Andrew's request, and I for > > one would like to see people working on getting GNOME working on BSD's > > as long as they understand that the majority of people run Linux and > > that we are trying to achieve a certain level of integration with the > > OS and that we expect certain features and services to achieve GNOME's > > goals. > > > > People can get GNOME working on the *BSDs, but is the developers > > running those OSes the ones that have to figure out a way to catch up > > with Linux and work with upstreams, it's just not realistic > > Surely. As I already apologized, "FreeBSD users should just go away" > is not at all what I meant to say. However, my rather impolite comment > was in reply to his comment that sounded very much like "Why are you > guys not caring about FreeBSD?". > > >>> PS. Do you know any OS that _uses_ systemd at all beside Linux? > >> > >> But apparently its the only free OS worth caring about. I think Jasper > >> was asking about distros as I'm pretty sure he is well aware that > >> systemd doesn't run on an archaic OSs, such as FreeBSD. > > > > Worth caring about? I care about any OS that has an OSI approved > > license, I happen to run some incarnation of GNU/Linux and I try to > > make things work on that one because it's the one I use. But that > > doesn't mean that other OSes are not worthy of care by other people. > > It's just up to those people to try to get things running on it. > > By "not caring about", I mean us not thinking about it when we design > and implement various GNOME components. That is a fact and unless > there is some FreeBSD developers stepping-up and changing that, it > will remain to be the case. I only intended to make this clear. Once > again, I apologise that it came out so harshly and apparently also so > misleading. > > -- > Regards, > > Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) > FSF member#5124 > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list >
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