On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:23:55PM +0200, Hanno Böck wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:21:32 -0700 (PDT)
> Ryan Sleevi <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > In particular, I'm hoping to expand upon the choice to allow existing
> > certs to continue to be accepted and to not remove the affected roots
> > until 2019.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> From my understanding the problem here is that the alternative of simply
> whitelisting the existing certificates isn't feasible, because there
> are too many of them.
> 
> *however* from what I remember almost all the time the free options of
> startcom/wosign were limited to one year. (I think there was a short
> period of time when it was possible to get 3-year-certs from wosign for
> free, but they removed that shortly afterwards.)
> 
> Therefore there should be some middlegroupd option:
> a) Keep the existing root for 1 year and trust that wosign won't
> backdate certificates
> b) After that the vast majority of wosign/startcom certificates will be
> expired. The number of the remaining ones is probably low enough to
> make whitelisting feasible.
> 
> I haven't checked CT logs for expiration dates, so this is more a
> guess, but given the history of cert issuance and the reasonable
> assumption most certs used the free option this seems plausible.

This is what I get for the number of valid certificates:
 2016-10-01 | 196100
 2016-11-01 | 185740
 2016-12-01 | 175310
 2017-01-01 | 168933
 2017-02-01 | 166109
 2017-03-01 | 162535
 2017-04-01 | 157278
 2017-05-01 | 154630
 2017-06-01 | 151857
 2017-07-01 | 147927
 2017-08-01 | 144076
 2017-09-01 | 139678
 2017-10-01 | 138156
 2017-11-01 | 137849
 2017-12-01 | 137648
 2018-01-01 | 132568
 2018-02-01 | 126031
 2018-03-01 | 120888
 2018-04-01 | 110723
 2018-05-01 |  98605
 2018-06-01 |  82580
 2018-07-01 |  69629
 2018-08-01 |  55843
 2018-09-01 |  42570
 2018-10-01 |  37793
 2018-11-01 |  37541
 2018-12-01 |  37287
 2019-01-01 |  35227
 2019-02-01 |  32453
 2019-03-01 |  29538
 2019-04-01 |  25133
 2019-05-01 |  21264
 2019-06-01 |  17563
 2019-07-01 |  14310
 2019-08-01 |  10892
 2019-09-01 |   5429
 2019-10-01 |    124
 2019-11-01 |     71
 2019-12-01 |     31
 2020-01-01 |      2
 2020-02-01 |      1


Kurt

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