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On 31 January 2014 17:12, Daniel Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Jan 30, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Robert Davies <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 30 Jan 2014, at 22:07, jgenender <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> A lot of those names seem to jump out as being AMQ committers. I > assume you > >> would know, or perhaps one of the other hawt.io contributors would > like to > >> chime in? > > > > There's more committers there who aren't involved with Apache, but > really its their community - they can choose where their code lives. > > I agree with Rob on this part. We have to recognize that Apache is not > the best fit for every project. Apache has certain restrictions that it > places on projects. Things like consensus driven development, diversity, > no benevolent dictators, simple things like voting on releases, open > discussions, etc.... However, Apache also has certain benefits such as the > name association, legal protections, history of long lived projects (thanks > to the diversity and such), even things like build systems. Each > projects needs to decide if the good parts out weigh the bad for them. If > they decide they don't, that is completely OK. We're OK with that. > > However, if a project decides not to be part of the ASF, then they are not > part of the ASF, period. That means the ASF cannot be used to promote it > and ASF cannot be used to drive developers to it unless it's completely > done in a fair and unbiased manner. The ASF projects cannot "endorse" > them as the best thing since sliced bread. It cannot be pushed on the > users as the only way to do something. Etc... We thank them for doing a > great job building on top of the work we do here and then we get back to > doing the work we need to do here. > > As far as hawt.io is concerned, if they want to keep things out of AMQ, > that is perfectly fine. They are entitled to that as they are the ones > working on it. I wish them all the best of luck. It is nice technology. > However, I also ask them to please stop pushing it within Apache. > > Folks: can we please let this drop? Trying to push an external community > into doing something they don't want to do IS a bit antagonistic. A polite > "would you consider moving XYZ to AMQ?" question to THEIR mailing list > could be appropriate, but if they say no (on their list), then it's pretty > much done. If they don't want it part of Apache, then we say thanks for > considering it and then we move on with what we need to do here and pretty > much ignore them. If THEY keep coming back to our list and trying to push > there stuff on us, that's different. Politely tell them to go away and > then get back to doing what we need to do here. > > > Dan > > > > > > Apache isn't exactly the best place for innovation. Just look at this > whole thread, imagine trying to create a UI based around consensus - it > wouldn't happen - so it doesn't seem odd to me that the ASF wouldn't be > there first choice. > > > >> > >> Also, if you are not part of the hawt.io community, whats up with your > >> signature? > > > > There's never been a great management console before that has been under > a permissive licence like the ASF - its a game changer. I'm happy to > promote in any small way I can. > > > >> > >> > >> rajdavies wrote > >>> I'm not a member of the hawtio community - but they were pretty clear > they > >>> didn't feel the ASF was the best place to innovate and develop a UI. > >>> <SNIP> > >>> Rob Davies > >>> ---------------- > >>> Red Hat, Inc > >>> http://hawt.io - #dontcha > >>> Twitter: rajdavies > >>> Blog: http://rajdavies.blogspot.com > >>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> View this message in context: > http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Move-the-ActiveMQ-web-console-to-a-sub-project-tp4676877p4677102.html > >> Sent from the ActiveMQ - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > Rob Davies > > ---------------- > > Red Hat, Inc > > http://hawt.io - #dontcha > > Twitter: rajdavies > > Blog: http://rajdavies.blogspot.com > > ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/ > > > > -- > Daniel Kulp > [email protected] - http://dankulp.com/blog > Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com > > -- James ------- Red Hat Email: [email protected] Web: http://fusesource.com Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/ Open Source Integration
