HornetQ can incubate (as the chosen code name) with full intentions of graduating as a sub project. No rework would be required.
We would obviously strongly encourage members from AMQ to assist with the mentoring. John On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 7:16 PM James Carman <[email protected]> wrote: > For what it's worth, I agree with Hadrian that HornetQ should go to the > incubator. The fact that I gave up on pushing the issue doesn't mean I > don't think that's the right course of action. It just didn't seem like it > was going to happen. > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 6:46 PM Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Uhm, what were we doing for the past 2 weeks? On two lists, multiple > > threads? > > > > I assume you are aware of my recommendation to have hornetq grow > > independently in the incubator. That proposal was rejected, but no > > reason given besides that the RH engineers would have to do the work > > twice. My request was to include that in the report (or whatever other > > reason might exist). The way it looks is that Fuse/RH/(the Damarillo > > group), anyway you want to describe that faction is dead set on > > replacing the existing ActiveMQ with HornetQ (or whatever code name) in > > version 6 or 10. By keeping HornetQ under the ActiveMQ PMC influence its > > future will be heavily influenced by the already biased PMC and at the > > same time hide the lack of diversity in HornetQ. In the incubator, > > HornetQ will have the opportunity and freedom to grow in any direction > > and build a diverse community. > > > > Since there is all this concern about the viral nature of the plan, why > > not allow HornetQ to take its course, build more diversity in the > > ActiveMQ community (actually both) and influence it based on technical > > merits instead of abundance of votes? > > > > Does that clarify my request? > > Hadrian > > > > > > On 04/20/2015 05:51 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote: > > > Agreed, we need to get this report published/submitted, so time is off > > the > > > essence here. > > > > > > Hadrian, you have raised some points that you would like to have > included > > > in the report, but nobody can read your mind. Please add your points to > > the > > > report so that others can see them and discuss them ASAP. > > > > > > Bruce > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Hiram Chirino <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> So we are running into a time crunch here. I'm hoping all the PMC > > >> members will pitch in and apply any edits to the report they deem > > >> necessary. Many thanks to those who have helped out. Seems like some > > >> folks are still now happy with it, so that's why have held off in > > >> sending it so that they get a chance to add their input. But your > > >> right, I do have to send this in before the 22nd so really today is > > >> the last day I can hold off so that I can send it on the 21st so that > > >> the board has at least 24 hours to review before their meeting. > > >> > > >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >>> One more thing. It's the responsibility of the PMC chair to provide a > > >> timely > > >>> report to the board. It's entirely his choice how he wants to go > about > > >> it, > > >>> what he decides to include and what to leave out. The report should > be > > >>> published in a timely manner though, so that comments (usually from > the > > >>> board) could be addressed before the meeting. > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> Hadrian > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 04/20/2015 05:23 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Ok so, then it sounds like your ok with the report the way it is > right > > >>>> now. > > >>>> > > >>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea < > [email protected]> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I have nothing to write. There were some claims made that were not > > >>>>> substantiate. My request was for the party that made the claims to > > >>>>> provide > > >>>>> an explanation. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I cannot explain somebody else's point of view. I can explain my > > views > > >> if > > >>>>> anybody requires it. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>> Hadrian > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 04/20/2015 02:39 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Hadrian, please write up what you want to include in the board > > report > > >>>>>> that way the rest of the PMC can review. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea < > > [email protected]> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> First, the report is late. Second, I don't think it addresses the > > >>>>>>> problems. > > >>>>>>> Third, I made a request to please include in the report an > > >> explanation > > >>>>>>> about > > >>>>>>> why hornetq moving to the incubator is a non-starter for Fuse > > crowd. > > >> It > > >>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>> very frustrating that requests get ignored. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Hadrian > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On 04/20/2015 02:16 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Are they any other updates folks want to make to this report? > > >> Please > > >>>>>>>> apply your updates soon. The board meets on the 22nd and I'd > like > > >> to > > >>>>>>>> submit the report on the 21st at the latest. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Hiram Chirino > > >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Hi guys. The board requested a report this month and had some > > >>>>>>>>> specific questions around the hornetq code donation. I've put > > up a > > >>>>>>>>> first cut a report on the Wiki at: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=55155578 > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Hopefully we can finish off the code donation naming vote soon > a > > >>>>>>>>> report that too. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>> Hiram Chirino > > >>>>>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. > > >>>>>>>>> [email protected] | fusesource.com | redhat.com > > >>>>>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Hiram Chirino > > >> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. > > >> [email protected] | fusesource.com | redhat.com > > >> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
