Perhaps this just means your failing to build a consensus around your view point?
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> wrote: > Except that the discussion was started weeks ago and questions are > constantly ignored. > > Hadrian > > > On 04/20/2015 07:55 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Uhm, what were we doing for the past 2 weeks? On two lists, multiple >>> threads? >>> >>> I assume you are aware of my recommendation to have hornetq grow >>> independently in the incubator. That proposal was rejected, but no reason >>> given besides that the RH engineers would have to do the work twice. My >>> request was to include that in the report (or whatever other reason might >>> exist). The way it looks is that Fuse/RH/(the Damarillo group), anyway >>> you >>> want to describe that faction is dead set on replacing the existing >>> ActiveMQ >>> with HornetQ (or whatever code name) in version 6 or 10. By keeping >>> HornetQ >>> under the ActiveMQ PMC influence its future will be heavily influenced by >>> the already biased PMC and at the same time hide the lack of diversity in >>> HornetQ. In the incubator, HornetQ will have the opportunity and freedom >>> to >>> grow in any direction and build a diverse community. >> >> >> We've had lots folks from different companies agree with the direction >> that code contribution is going in. The fact that pin it on >> 'Fuse/RH/(the Damarillo group)' is very disingenuous and I think a >> poisonous position to take. I guess we just need to agree to disagree >> on this point. >> >>> >>> Since there is all this concern about the viral nature of the plan, why >>> not >>> allow HornetQ to take its course, build more diversity in the ActiveMQ >>> community (actually both) and influence it based on technical merits >>> instead >>> of abundance of votes? >> >> >> Please start a discussion thread with your proposal and lets see if >> consensus can be built around it. This is how it's normally done. >> You can't just complain that you don't agree with how things are going >> and then cry that some evil conspiracy is underway. >> >>> >>> Does that clarify my request? >>> Hadrian >>> >>> >>> >>> On 04/20/2015 05:51 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Agreed, we need to get this report published/submitted, so time is off >>>> the >>>> essence here. >>>> >>>> Hadrian, you have raised some points that you would like to have >>>> included >>>> in the report, but nobody can read your mind. Please add your points to >>>> the >>>> report so that others can see them and discuss them ASAP. >>>> >>>> Bruce >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Hiram Chirino <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So we are running into a time crunch here. I'm hoping all the PMC >>>>> members will pitch in and apply any edits to the report they deem >>>>> necessary. Many thanks to those who have helped out. Seems like some >>>>> folks are still now happy with it, so that's why have held off in >>>>> sending it so that they get a chance to add their input. But your >>>>> right, I do have to send this in before the 22nd so really today is >>>>> the last day I can hold off so that I can send it on the 21st so that >>>>> the board has at least 24 hours to review before their meeting. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> One more thing. It's the responsibility of the PMC chair to provide a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> timely >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> report to the board. It's entirely his choice how he wants to go about >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> it, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> what he decides to include and what to leave out. The report should be >>>>>> published in a timely manner though, so that comments (usually from >>>>>> the >>>>>> board) could be addressed before the meeting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Hadrian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04/20/2015 05:23 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok so, then it sounds like your ok with the report the way it is >>>>>>> right >>>>>>> now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have nothing to write. There were some claims made that were not >>>>>>>> substantiate. My request was for the party that made the claims to >>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>> an explanation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I cannot explain somebody else's point of view. I can explain my >>>>>>>> views >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> if >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> anybody requires it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Hadrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 04/20/2015 02:39 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hadrian, please write up what you want to include in the board >>>>>>>>> report >>>>>>>>> that way the rest of the PMC can review. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> First, the report is late. Second, I don't think it addresses the >>>>>>>>>> problems. >>>>>>>>>> Third, I made a request to please include in the report an >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> explanation >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> why hornetq moving to the incubator is a non-starter for Fuse >>>>>>>>>> crowd. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> very frustrating that requests get ignored. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hadrian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 04/20/2015 02:16 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are they any other updates folks want to make to this report? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> apply your updates soon. The board meets on the 22nd and I'd >>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> submit the report on the 21st at the latest. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Hiram Chirino >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys. The board requested a report this month and had some >>>>>>>>>>>> specific questions around the hornetq code donation. I've put >>>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> first cut a report on the Wiki at: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=55155578 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hopefully we can finish off the code donation naming vote soon a >>>>>>>>>>>> report that too. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Hiram Chirino >>>>>>>>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] | fusesource.com | redhat.com >>>>>>>>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Hiram Chirino >>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. >>>>> [email protected] | fusesource.com | redhat.com >>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > -- Hiram Chirino Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. 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