On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> wrote: > Uhm, what were we doing for the past 2 weeks? On two lists, multiple > threads? > > I assume you are aware of my recommendation to have hornetq grow > independently in the incubator. That proposal was rejected, but no reason > given besides that the RH engineers would have to do the work twice. My > request was to include that in the report (or whatever other reason might > exist). The way it looks is that Fuse/RH/(the Damarillo group), anyway you > want to describe that faction is dead set on replacing the existing ActiveMQ > with HornetQ (or whatever code name) in version 6 or 10. By keeping HornetQ > under the ActiveMQ PMC influence its future will be heavily influenced by > the already biased PMC and at the same time hide the lack of diversity in > HornetQ. In the incubator, HornetQ will have the opportunity and freedom to > grow in any direction and build a diverse community.
We've had lots folks from different companies agree with the direction that code contribution is going in. The fact that pin it on 'Fuse/RH/(the Damarillo group)' is very disingenuous and I think a poisonous position to take. I guess we just need to agree to disagree on this point. > > Since there is all this concern about the viral nature of the plan, why not > allow HornetQ to take its course, build more diversity in the ActiveMQ > community (actually both) and influence it based on technical merits instead > of abundance of votes? Please start a discussion thread with your proposal and lets see if consensus can be built around it. This is how it's normally done. You can't just complain that you don't agree with how things are going and then cry that some evil conspiracy is underway. > > Does that clarify my request? > Hadrian > > > > On 04/20/2015 05:51 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote: >> >> Agreed, we need to get this report published/submitted, so time is off the >> essence here. >> >> Hadrian, you have raised some points that you would like to have included >> in the report, but nobody can read your mind. Please add your points to >> the >> report so that others can see them and discuss them ASAP. >> >> Bruce >> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Hiram Chirino <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> So we are running into a time crunch here. I'm hoping all the PMC >>> members will pitch in and apply any edits to the report they deem >>> necessary. Many thanks to those who have helped out. Seems like some >>> folks are still now happy with it, so that's why have held off in >>> sending it so that they get a chance to add their input. But your >>> right, I do have to send this in before the 22nd so really today is >>> the last day I can hold off so that I can send it on the 21st so that >>> the board has at least 24 hours to review before their meeting. >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> One more thing. It's the responsibility of the PMC chair to provide a >>> >>> timely >>>> >>>> report to the board. It's entirely his choice how he wants to go about >>> >>> it, >>>> >>>> what he decides to include and what to leave out. The report should be >>>> published in a timely manner though, so that comments (usually from the >>>> board) could be addressed before the meeting. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Hadrian >>>> >>>> >>>> On 04/20/2015 05:23 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ok so, then it sounds like your ok with the report the way it is right >>>>> now. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have nothing to write. There were some claims made that were not >>>>>> substantiate. My request was for the party that made the claims to >>>>>> provide >>>>>> an explanation. >>>>>> >>>>>> I cannot explain somebody else's point of view. I can explain my views >>> >>> if >>>>>> >>>>>> anybody requires it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Hadrian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04/20/2015 02:39 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hadrian, please write up what you want to include in the board report >>>>>>> that way the rest of the PMC can review. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First, the report is late. Second, I don't think it addresses the >>>>>>>> problems. >>>>>>>> Third, I made a request to please include in the report an >>> >>> explanation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> why hornetq moving to the incubator is a non-starter for Fuse crowd. >>> >>> It >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> very frustrating that requests get ignored. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hadrian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 04/20/2015 02:16 PM, Hiram Chirino wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are they any other updates folks want to make to this report? >>> >>> Please >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> apply your updates soon. The board meets on the 22nd and I'd like >>> >>> to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> submit the report on the 21st at the latest. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Hiram Chirino >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys. The board requested a report this month and had some >>>>>>>>>> specific questions around the hornetq code donation. I've put up >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> first cut a report on the Wiki at: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=55155578 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hopefully we can finish off the code donation naming vote soon a >>>>>>>>>> report that too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Hiram Chirino >>>>>>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] | fusesource.com | redhat.com >>>>>>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Hiram Chirino >>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. >>> [email protected] | fusesource.com | redhat.com >>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino >>> >> >> >> > -- Hiram Chirino Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. [email protected] | fusesource.com | redhat.com skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino
