That was me, got mixed my mail accounts. Regarding problem 4: probably we should explain to newcomers not only how to use dev lists, but also why we use it. Dev list was just a weird legacy solution until I've heard about Apache requirements and SE indexing .
Anton On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 00:43 A Z <anton.zain...@gmail.com> wrote: > 1. I don't mind asynchronous communication. I love it too because it > provides more meaningful discussions. You don't have to hurry to answer and > can give you some time to organize your thoughts. Although sometimes you'd > like to make it quick (e.g. hotfixing that requires >1 ppl). Slack/Gitter > provides you an opportunity for both quick/slow communication. Email is > very bad for quick replies. That limitation is the thing I'd like to get > rid of. > > 2. I've tried Pony Mail. Currently, I'm using it. It is way better than > usual Gmail interface (I use it for 10+ years with short pause when I > switch to Inbox), but there are still huge disadvantages: > a) I can't quote particular sentence to address it > b) There is no way of structuring your text (like bulleting, underscoring, > indentation, etc). Yes, I know I can use it in the Gmail web client, but It > is way harder to navigate there. > c) No threads. Every discussion tends to split into different branches, so > it is nice to be able to join one of the threads ignoring the whole > discussion (or vice-versa). > d) Reply window just holds half of my screen. I have to close it to reread > some points in the discussion. > e) A lot of niche things that I get used to (like polls, images, etc). > They're not that crucial but make communication easier. > f) I still have a cluttered inbox, hence all the discussions arrive there. > Yes, I can create smart filters, but it still needs some effort. > > 3. Yes, mobile device is a problem. Mailing lists on mobile are still just > Gmail client which is horrible for that kind of discussion. > > 4. And now my biggest concern: for the majority of users joining to mail > list sounds like an invite to MySpace. It is easier to skip the community > then make an effort into understanding how devlists do work. I think the > main problem is not the struggle of existing users but the number of > developers who skipped conversation being afraid of the unfamiliar > messaging tool. > > On 2019/12/31 23:22:43, Jarek Potiuk <jarek.pot...@polidea.com> wrote: > > I had some discussion today and I'd love to get some more insight (@Anton > > Zayniev and others). I think about spending some of my time next year on > > Apache-general projects so that might be one I might put some effort > into. > > So I would love to learn more. > > Anton - I would love to run an experiment with you. Would you like to try > > to use the https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@airflow.apache.org to > > respond to that email - quoting relevant parts etc. ? > > > > - What I really love about email interface is the built-in > asynchronous > > communication (thus slowness). I never expect response immediately, > nor > > provide one. I think this is deeply embedded in the whole Apache Way. > > People in Apache projects are all over the world, have different > > schedules/time zones and responding after some time is OK and > expected. > > This is why we gave 72 hrs of voting time for example. Is this > > something that bothers people who do not like mail interface (Anton?) > is > > your expectation about immediacy of communication? > > - The UI/interface - have you (Anton and others) used > > https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@airflow.apache.org ? like > > "log-in" and use it as mail sending interface? Not that different from > > Gmail/Other web interfaces. I am using Gmail for like 12 years now as > my > > only email interface (no clients whatsoever) and never looked back > after > > switching. Maybe you simply don't realise how comfortable and useful > it is > > to use web interface for writing emails or messages? > > - Or maybe the problem is mobile devices? > > - I think once you learn how to start new threads, comments with > quoting > > etc, mailing list is pretty useful. I don't think slack is much > better in > > it to be honest. What are the most annoying things that bother you > Anton > > with those? > > > > J. > > > >
