I propose - let's not be defensive or offensive, but try to hear each other
and improve things in the future :).

On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 11:35 AM Kaxil Naik <kaxiln...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >But I would personally love to see more "yes, but" than "no".
>
> Saying "would love to hear what you think" in the original message followed
> by terming "negative" is not the way to collaborate.
>
> On Thu, 1 May 2025 at 15:01, Kaxil Naik <kaxiln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "-1" was backed with rationale discussion and no one has said it was a
> bad
> > idea but you have said it is "negative".
> >
> > On Thu, 1 May 2025 at 14:59, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > That said, I want to push back on the framing of some feedback as
> >> “negative.” I really appreciate the folks who raised concerns, those
> >> perspectives are vital to making the project stronger and more
> inclusive.
> >>
> >> I think what I wanted to say is that I think we should all exercise
> >> empathy. It's super easy to say "-1" but it's harder to say "It's a good
> >> idea but ..". Psychological effect of the "-1" is that it "cuts the
> wings"
> >> of the person who has some idea and wants to follow it through. The
> >> psychological effect of "cool idea, but" is that it - more often than
> not
> >> -
> >> make the person more energised and inspired to look for a better
> solution.
> >>
> >> And yes I know different people have different communication style, and
> >> there are cultural differences and all that. But I would personally love
> >> to
> >> see more "yes, but" than "no".
> >>
> >> That's all I want to say..
> >>
> >> J/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 11:23 AM Kaxil Naik <kaxiln...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks for the energy and initiative here.
> >> >
> >> > That said, I want to push back on the framing of some feedback as
> >> > “negative.” I really appreciate the folks who raised concerns, those
> >> > perspectives are vital to making the project stronger and more
> >> inclusive.
> >> >
> >> > Let’s make sure we continue to welcome both enthusiasm and critique.
> As
> >> > the ASF
> >> > Code of Conduct <https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct>
> >> > reminds us, thoughtful disagreement and diverse viewpoints are not
> only
> >> > expected but encouraged. Referring to concerns as “negative”, even
> >> > unintentionally, can discourage people from speaking up, which we want
> >> to
> >> > avoid.
> >> >
> >> > We all want what’s best for Airflow, and part of that is making sure
> >> > everyone feels safe to contribute, especially when something doesn’t
> >> feel
> >> > right.
> >> >
> >> > >Rather than focusing on the negative side, try to figure out a way to
> >> make
> >> > it work :)
> >> >
> >> > Back to the proposal from Jens and you -  Yes that (a comment allowing
> >> to
> >> > still merge/auto-merge the PR) alleviates my concern.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Kaxil
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, 1 May 2025 at 12:54, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I really like Jens's line of thought. Rather than focusing on the
> >> > negative
> >> > > side, try to figure out a way to make it work :). That's very
> >> inspiring.
> >> > >
> >> > > I think the original slack proposal of Jens was rather brittle, but
> it
> >> > made
> >> > > me think that we can actually implement what we need rather quickly.
> >> > >
> >> > > Following the `Dependabot` style @rebase - we could implement - very
> >> > easily
> >> > > - there are ready actions for that and other projects like apache
> beam
> >> > are
> >> > > using similar workflows - the comment workflow, where maintainer who
> >> > wants
> >> > > to merge  (or auto-merge) such "failing" PR would just comment it
> >> > > appropriately.
> >> > >
> >> > > What we really want is to make the "finalize" check succeed, so if
> >> the PR
> >> > > misses the "Finalize" step, a committer would just have to comment
> it
> >> > with
> >> > > "@bypass-finalize` or `@finalize` or similar. And what it would do,
> it
> >> > > would use Github API to make the "Finalize" check succeed. There is
> an
> >> > API
> >> > > for that.
> >> > >
> >> > > That has a few nice properties:
> >> > >
> >> > > * it uses the same GitHub UI we use, no need to have an "escape
> hatch"
> >> > and
> >> > > separate remote
> >> > > * it follows the pattern we already agreed to some time ago and
> >> generally
> >> > > follow -> we are supposed (as maintainers) to explain when we are
> >> merging
> >> > > such failing PR to show that this is a deliberate action - I usually
> >> for
> >> > > example always add "fixed already in main" or "Fixed already by
> #..."
> >> > > comment - you really need a comment in this case explaining that it
> >> was
> >> > not
> >> > > accidental "merge".
> >> > > * so if we have such workflow, it would "force" maintainer to make a
> >> > > deliberate decision "yes I want to merge it despite failing" and
> make
> >> a
> >> > > comment in the PR
> >> > > * it would only set the "finalize" check to succeed, so still you
> >> would
> >> > not
> >> > > be able to merge it without having an approval - this would only
> >> bypass
> >> > the
> >> > > "finalize" check
> >> > >
> >> > > WDYT? Would that address all concerns with auto-merge ? Does it make
> >> > sense
> >> > > and is it "easy enough" to follow? Or are there any other concerns?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 10:36 PM Pavankumar Gopidesu <
> >> > > gopidesupa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I am also in line with Jens. The auto-merge feature works well in
> >> > keeping
> >> > > > the CI pipeline green before merging.
> >> > > > However, there are situations where we need to merge changes
> >> quickly.
> >> > > > Instead of using an
> >> > > > escape route (which I’m not a fan of, as it carries risks if
> >> something
> >> > > goes
> >> > > > wrong—even though we can revert, it’s still a concern),
> >> > > > we could explore ways to dynamically bypass certain checks when
> >> > necessary
> >> > > > or maybe some help from INFRA?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Pavan
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 9:22 PM Jens Scheffler
> >> > > <j_scheff...@gmx.de.invalid
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > As there was a call for more opinions. Here I am :-D
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I understand both positions. As I like AutoMerge very much I am
> >> not
> >> > > > > giving up :-D I'd like to keep it.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I think there is still an option in between. Maybe need to
> draft a
> >> > bit
> >> > > > > of thoughts but I think we could build something still around
> the
> >> > > > > limitations allowing automation.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Added a minor thought to the slack chat. But if community rules
> >> > propose
> >> > > > > to push to devchennel let me know.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Jens
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On 30.04.25 11:04, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> >> > > > > > Yeah, And I would encourage everyone to try it and provide
> >> feedback
> >> > > > while
> >> > > > > > it is enabled.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > So far we identified a few things (and fix them) that made it
> >> > > > borderline
> >> > > > > > unusable (bug in workflow for UI-only changes, GitHub starting
> >> to
> >> > > > 429-us
> >> > > > > > with too many requests, and the mysterious "hanging" of the
> >> latest
> >> > > > > > botocore/celery (?) "special tests" -> all that is already
> >> > addressed
> >> > > in
> >> > > > > > main, and those issues should not happen (hopefully), so I'd
> >> say we
> >> > > can
> >> > > > > now
> >> > > > > > "truly" see how it might work.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > And one comment from my side - indeed, I find it nice
> actually,
> >> but
> >> > > > it's
> >> > > > > > definitely not a "deal breaker"- so if others find it too
> >> > > disruptive, I
> >> > > > > am
> >> > > > > > definitely not going to die on this hill, I just thought it
> does
> >> > > > improve
> >> > > > > > the workflow in the way that it allows for mostly "fire and
> >> forget"
> >> > > > when
> >> > > > > > you approve the workflow, one thing that it definitely
> improves
> >> is
> >> > > that
> >> > > > > you
> >> > > > > > do not have to remember about coming back to merge a request
> >> when
> >> > CI
> >> > > > > > succeeds.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > J.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 10:58 AM Kaxil Naik <
> >> kaxiln...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >> Forgot to note an additional point in Summary: If we find
> >> anything
> >> > > > > blocking
> >> > > > > >> us in that period, we will merge
> >> > > > > >> https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/50009 to disable
> >> > auto-merge.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 14:26, Kaxil Naik <
> kaxiln...@gmail.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >>> Jarek & I discussed it on Slack in #internal-airflow-ci-cd.
> >> > Summary
> >> > > > > >> below:
> >> > > > > >>> I have a PR to disable it:
> >> > > > > https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/50009.
> >> > > > > >>> However, given that many countries will be on holiday on
> May 1
> >> > due
> >> > > to
> >> > > > > >>> Labour Day, and some teething issues were fixed yesterday,
> we
> >> > will
> >> > > > let
> >> > > > > it
> >> > > > > >>> run for a few more days so other committers and contributors
> >> can
> >> > > get
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > > >>> chance to try it out and share their experience after the
> >> > > > > >> experiment/trial
> >> > > > > >>> is concluded.
> >> > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > >>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 13:59, Kaxil Naik <
> kaxiln...@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > >>>> Whoops yeah.
> >> > > > > >>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>> Yep. Because it did not have all conversations resolved.
> We
> >> > also
> >> > > > have
> >> > > > > >>>> "require resolved conversation" as one of the branch
> >> protection
> >> > > > > >>>> conditions.
> >> > > > > >>>> I resolved the conversation and it got merged
> automatically.
> >> > > > > >>>>
> >> > > > > >>>> Let's adapt it when ready though, I don't see any urgency
> of
> >> > > getting
> >> > > > > >>>> enabling auto-merge or getting it contributed immediately
> to
> >> asf
> >> > > > INFRA
> >> > > > > >> when
> >> > > > > >>>> it isn't critical. It is about priortization
> >> > > > > >>>>
> >> > > > > >>>> I'd say - if that is really bothering us - let's shape the
> >> > feature
> >> > > > > >> rather
> >> > > > > >>>>> than outright reject it.
> >> > > > > >>>>
> >> > > > > >>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 12:37, Jarek Potiuk <
> ja...@potiuk.com
> >> >
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 7:55 AM Kaxil Naik <
> >> > kaxiln...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > >> wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>>>> To the point that the original PR is still not merged
> even
> >> > > after I
> >> > > > > >> had
> >> > > > > >>>>>> re-triggered the failed tests yesterday:
> >> > > > > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/49727
> >> > > > > >>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>> Yep. Because it did not have all conversations resolved.
> We
> >> > also
> >> > > > have
> >> > > > > >>>>> "require resolved conversation" as one of the branch
> >> protection
> >> > > > > >>>>> conditions.
> >> > > > > >>>>> I resolved the conversation and it got merged
> automatically.
> >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 11:20, Kaxil Naik <
> >> kaxiln...@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > > > > >> wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> The gitbox escape hatch isn't it though -- if we are to
> >> allow
> >> > > > that
> >> > > > > >>>>> why
> >> > > > > >>>>>> not
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> just allow people to merge it directly from github that
> >> to go
> >> > > via
> >> > > > > >> an
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> "escape hatch".
> >> > > > > >>>>> Generally speaking GitHub has this option. Currently
> >> "admins"
> >> > > have
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > > >>>>> possibility of overriding branch protection (via UI). And
> it
> >> > > would
> >> > > > be
> >> > > > > >>>>> possible - if INFRA will allow it - to possibly add an
> >> > .asf.yaml
> >> > > > > >> feature
> >> > > > > >>>>> to
> >> > > > > >>>>> also allow branch protection override for all committers
> or
> >> a
> >> > > > subset
> >> > > > > of
> >> > > > > >>>>> the
> >> > > > > >>>>> committers (PMC Members ? ). This is more of a limitation
> of
> >> > the
> >> > > > > >> current
> >> > > > > >>>>> implementation of permissions than a missing feature. If
> we
> >> all
> >> > > > feel
> >> > > > > >> that
> >> > > > > >>>>> the gitbox escape hatch is not enough, we can likely even
> >> > > > contribute
> >> > > > > >>>>> such a
> >> > > > > >>>>> feature to .asf.yaml - if INFRA will be ok with the
> option.
> >> > It's
> >> > > > very
> >> > > > > >>>>> easy
> >> > > > > >>>>> to contribute to - INFRA made it possible, we have a new
> >> > > framework:
> >> > > > > >>>>> https://github.com/apache/infrastructure-asfyaml - we can
> >> even
> >> > > > > >> implement
> >> > > > > >>>>> "airflow-only" .asf.yaml feature, that will not be
> initially
> >> > > > > available
> >> > > > > >> to
> >> > > > > >>>>> other ASF projects and later we can promote it to be
> >> available
> >> > to
> >> > > > > >>>>> everyone.
> >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>> I'd say - if that is really bothering us - let's shape the
> >> > > feature
> >> > > > > >> rather
> >> > > > > >>>>> than outright reject it.
> >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> I am -1 on this auto-merge feature
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>> Understood :). But let's give it a bit more time as well
> and
> >> > > maybe
> >> > > > > >>>>> improve
> >> > > > > >>>>> it (see above) - unless we really feel we are blocked now
> -
> >> > then
> >> > > it
> >> > > > > >>>>> should
> >> > > > > >>>>> be as easy as merging an .asf.yaml change to disable it.
> >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 11:18, Kaxil Naik <
> >> > kaxiln...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > >>>>> wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> That’s not a single person, it impacts the committers
> and
> >> > the
> >> > > PR
> >> > > > > >>>>> author
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> involved too. I don’t see how team productivity soars
> >> here.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 02:39, Jarek Potiuk <
> >> > ja...@potiuk.com>
> >> > > > > >>>>> wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> But yes, I also miss the previous "merge because I
> think
> >> > it's
> >> > > > > >> safe"
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> workflow.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I badly miss it. Personally, It hurts my productivity.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> But I think the "require status check" to be green is
> >> great
> >> > > for
> >> > > > > >>>>> "team
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> productivity". Usually when single person is impacted
> >> more
> >> > > than
> >> > > > > >>>>> team in
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> general, it's worse for the person impacted, but team
> >> > > > > >> productivity
> >> > > > > >>>>>> soars.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> J.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 11:03 PM Jarek Potiuk <
> >> > > > ja...@potiuk.com>
> >> > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Just to add comment:
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> a) there was some instability of "celery/boto"
> hanging
> >> > tests
> >> > > > > >>>>> today
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> that is
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rather difficult to address - but we worked around it
> >> by
> >> > > just
> >> > > > > >>>>>> removing
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> "special-tests" from pre-requisite of merging
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> b) GitHub today (like literally today!) started to be
> >> > picky
> >> > > on
> >> > > > > >>>>> "too
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> many
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> requests" - I addressed it today for both helm chart
> >> and
> >> > our
> >> > > > > >>>>> release
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> tests
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> (we are using bearer-token to authenticate and
> increase
> >> > the
> >> > > > > >>>>> limit -
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> and we
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> added cache on downloading json schema that was
> >> downloaded
> >> > > > > >>>>> "per-test"
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> c) in cases like the one mentioned above with
> >> intermittent
> >> > > > > >>>>> failures -
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> simple "rerun failed jobs" (assuming it will succeed
> >> after
> >> > > > > >>>>> rerun) -
> >> > > > > >>>>>> is
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> essentially equivalent of "merge" (unless it fails
> >> again
> >> > > which
> >> > > > > >>>>> for me
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> is a
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> signal of "DO NOT MERGE")
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> d) we always have the "gitbox" escape hatch - that
> >> allows
> >> > > any
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> committer to
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> push the fix directly, bypassing the limits:
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This is a simple thing for committers:
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> git add remote gitbox
> >> > > > > >>>>>> https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/airflow.git
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> git fetch gitbox
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> git commit --amend ("add #PR number")
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> git push gitbox BRANCH_NAME:main (you need to provide
> >> your
> >> > > > > >>>>> apache id
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> and
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> password)
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This is a nice escape hatch that we can use as
> >> > "exceptional
> >> > > > > >>>>>> workflow" -
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and it works - I did it quite a few times over the
> last
> >> > few
> >> > > > > >>>>> days. Not
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> UI
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> controlled, but IMHO exceptional workflow should be -
> >> > well
> >> > > -
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> exceptional.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> J.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 8:52 PM Kaxil Naik <
> >> > > > > >> kaxiln...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Similar experience as Elad, I am in favor of
> >> disabling it
> >> > > > tbh.
> >> > > > > >>>>> For
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> example,
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/49727 has a
> >> > failing
> >> > > > > >>>>> test as
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> below
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> which is not an issue, and test passes locally so I
> >> would
> >> > > > want
> >> > > > > >>>>> to
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> merge it
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> but I can't.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> FAILED
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> helm-tests/tests/helm_tests/airflow_aux/test_basic_helm_chart.py::TestBaseChartTest::test_priority_classes
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> - requests.exceptions.HTTPError: 429 Client Error:
> Too
> >> > Many
> >> > > > > >>>>> Requests
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> for
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> url:
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yannh/kubernetes-json-schema/master/v1.29.1-standalone-strict/priorityclass-scheduling-v1.json
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 at 18:29, Jarek Potiuk <
> >> > > ja...@potiuk.com
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 1:46 PM Elad Kalif <
> >> > > > > >>>>> elad...@apache.org>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that Jarek!
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I find the lack of ability to merge PRs fast very
> >> > > limiting
> >> > > > > >>>>> but
> >> > > > > >>>>>> it
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> might
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> just something to get used to.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. I also see it, but also I got a few
> manually
> >> > > pushed
> >> > > > > >>>>> "must
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> fix
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> quickly" to gitbox, and actually I find it really
> >> nice -
> >> > > > > >>>>> because
> >> > > > > >>>>>> it
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> is
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> still possible, but it require some extra effort
> and
> >> > > > > >>>>> deliberate
> >> > > > > >>>>>> "ok
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> that
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> one really should be pushed to unblock everyone" -
> as
> >> > long
> >> > > > > >> as
> >> > > > > >>>>> we
> >> > > > > >>>>>> all
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> (especially those people that are active in the
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> #internal-airfow-ci-cd channel) know how to do it
> and
> >> > can
> >> > > > > >> fix
> >> > > > > >>>>>> things
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> quickly, this is actually a nice way to make it
> into
> >> > > > > >>>>> "exceptional"
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> workflow
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - which will push us more in making sure airflow
> >> main is
> >> > > > > >>>>> really
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> "green"
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> -
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which ultimately is our goal to make it as green as
> >> > > possible
> >> > > > > >>>>> all
> >> > > > > >>>>>> the
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> time.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> What **might help with that** (and also keeping the
> >> > > "enable
> >> > > > > >>>>> auto
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> merge"
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> might motivate it more to) is to:
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> * speed up the builds - we MUST prioritise now ARC
> >> (K8S
> >> > > > > >>>>>> self-hosted
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> runners) to make our builds simply faster - I
> >> started a
> >> > > > > >>>>> discussion
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> and a
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> small group of people who can work together to
> >> complete
> >> > it
> >> > > > > >>>>> after
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hussein's
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> POC)
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> * speed up the image release - with ARM runners
> >> (which
> >> > we
> >> > > > > >>>>> might be
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> able
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> do independently as recently I think we have
> >> > > > > >>>>> hypervisor-enabled
> >> > > > > >>>>>> ARM
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> images
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> available as public runners as github made it
> >> generally
> >> > > > > >>>>>> available).
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> * speed up the doc builds for airflow-site - we
> >> (mainly
> >> > > > > >>>>> Pavan) are
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> close to
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> complete offloading of the historical release docs
> >> to S3
> >> > > > > >> and I
> >> > > > > >>>>>> hope
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> it
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> will
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> cut down a lot on doc publishing workflows.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> J,
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
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