Jarek & I discussed it on Slack in #internal-airflow-ci-cd. Summary below:

I have a PR to disable it: https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/50009.
However, given that many countries will be on holiday on May 1 due to
Labour Day, and some teething issues were fixed yesterday, we will let it
run for a few more days so other committers and contributors can get a
chance to try it out and share their experience after the experiment/trial
is concluded.



On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 13:59, Kaxil Naik <kaxiln...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Whoops yeah.
>
> >Yep. Because it did not have all conversations resolved. We also have
> "require resolved conversation" as one of the branch protection conditions.
> I resolved the conversation and it got merged automatically.
>
> Let's adapt it when ready though, I don't see any urgency of getting
> enabling auto-merge or getting it contributed immediately to asf INFRA when
> it isn't critical. It is about priortization
>
> I'd say - if that is really bothering us - let's shape the feature rather
>> than outright reject it.
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 12:37, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 7:55 AM Kaxil Naik <kaxiln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > To the point that the original PR is still not merged even after I had
>> > re-triggered the failed tests yesterday:
>> > https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/49727
>> >
>> >
>> Yep. Because it did not have all conversations resolved. We also have
>> "require resolved conversation" as one of the branch protection
>> conditions.
>> I resolved the conversation and it got merged automatically.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 11:20, Kaxil Naik <kaxiln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The gitbox escape hatch isn't it though -- if we are to allow that why
>> > not
>> > > just allow people to merge it directly from github that to go via an
>> > > "escape hatch".
>> >
>>
>> Generally speaking GitHub has this option. Currently "admins" have a
>> possibility of overriding branch protection (via UI). And it would be
>> possible - if INFRA will allow it - to possibly add an .asf.yaml feature
>> to
>> also allow branch protection override for all committers or a subset of
>> the
>> committers (PMC Members ? ). This is more of a limitation of the current
>> implementation of permissions than a missing feature. If we all feel that
>> the gitbox escape hatch is not enough, we can likely even contribute such
>> a
>> feature to .asf.yaml - if INFRA will be ok with the option. It's very easy
>> to contribute to - INFRA made it possible, we have a new framework:
>> https://github.com/apache/infrastructure-asfyaml - we can even implement
>> "airflow-only" .asf.yaml feature, that will not be initially available to
>> other ASF projects and later we can promote it to be available to
>> everyone.
>>
>> I'd say - if that is really bothering us - let's shape the feature rather
>> than outright reject it.
>>
>>
>> > > I am -1 on this auto-merge feature
>> > >
>> >
>>
>> Understood :). But let's give it a bit more time as well and maybe improve
>> it (see above) - unless we really feel we are blocked now - then it should
>> be as easy as merging an .asf.yaml change to disable it.
>>
>>
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 11:18, Kaxil Naik <kaxiln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> That’s not a single person, it impacts the committers and the PR
>> author
>> > >> involved too. I don’t see how team productivity soars here.
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 at 02:39, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> But yes, I also miss the previous "merge because I think it's safe"
>> > >>> workflow.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I badly miss it. Personally, It hurts my productivity.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> But I think the "require status check" to be green is great for
>> "team
>> > >>> productivity". Usually when single person is impacted more than
>> team in
>> > >>> general, it's worse for the person impacted, but team productivity
>> > soars.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> J.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 11:03 PM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > Just to add comment:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > a) there was some instability of "celery/boto" hanging tests today
>> > >>> that is
>> > >>> > rather difficult to address - but we worked around it by just
>> > removing
>> > >>> > "special-tests" from pre-requisite of merging
>> > >>> > b) GitHub today (like literally today!) started to be picky on
>> "too
>> > >>> many
>> > >>> > requests" - I addressed it today for both helm chart and our
>> release
>> > >>> tests
>> > >>> > (we are using bearer-token to authenticate and increase the limit
>> -
>> > >>> and we
>> > >>> > added cache on downloading json schema that was downloaded
>> "per-test"
>> > >>> > c) in cases like the one mentioned above with intermittent
>> failures -
>> > >>> > simple "rerun failed jobs" (assuming it will succeed after rerun)
>> -
>> > is
>> > >>> > essentially equivalent of "merge" (unless it fails again which
>> for me
>> > >>> is a
>> > >>> > signal of "DO NOT MERGE")
>> > >>> > d) we always have the "gitbox" escape hatch - that allows any
>> > >>> committer to
>> > >>> > push the fix directly, bypassing the limits:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > This is a simple thing for committers:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > git add remote gitbox
>> > https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf/airflow.git
>> > >>> > git fetch gitbox
>> > >>> > git commit --amend ("add #PR number")
>> > >>> > git push gitbox BRANCH_NAME:main (you need to provide your apache
>> id
>> > >>> and
>> > >>> > password)
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > This is a nice escape hatch that we can use as "exceptional
>> > workflow" -
>> > >>> > and it works - I did it quite a few times over the last few days.
>> Not
>> > >>> UI
>> > >>> > controlled, but IMHO exceptional workflow should be -  well -
>> > >>> exceptional.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > J.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 8:52 PM Kaxil Naik <kaxiln...@gmail.com>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >> Similar experience as Elad, I am in favor of disabling it tbh.
>> For
>> > >>> >> example,
>> > >>> >> https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/49727 has a failing test
>> as
>> > >>> below
>> > >>> >> --
>> > >>> >> which is not an issue, and test passes locally so I would want to
>> > >>> merge it
>> > >>> >> but I can't.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> FAILED
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>>
>> >
>> helm-tests/tests/helm_tests/airflow_aux/test_basic_helm_chart.py::TestBaseChartTest::test_priority_classes
>> > >>> >> - requests.exceptions.HTTPError: 429 Client Error: Too Many
>> Requests
>> > >>> for
>> > >>> >> url:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>>
>> >
>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yannh/kubernetes-json-schema/master/v1.29.1-standalone-strict/priorityclass-scheduling-v1.json
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 at 18:29, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 1:46 PM Elad Kalif <elad...@apache.org
>> >
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > > Thanks for that Jarek!
>> > >>> >> > > I find the lack of ability to merge PRs fast very limiting
>> but
>> > it
>> > >>> >> might
>> > >>> >> > be
>> > >>> >> > > just something to get used to.
>> > >>> >> > >
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > Indeed. I also see it, but also I got a few manually pushed
>> "must
>> > >>> fix
>> > >>> >> > quickly" to gitbox, and actually I find it really nice -
>> because
>> > it
>> > >>> is
>> > >>> >> > still possible, but it require some extra effort and deliberate
>> > "ok
>> > >>> that
>> > >>> >> > one really should be pushed to unblock everyone" - as long as
>> we
>> > all
>> > >>> >> > (especially those people that are active in the
>> > >>> >> > #internal-airfow-ci-cd channel) know how to do it and can fix
>> > things
>> > >>> >> > quickly, this is actually a nice way to make it into
>> "exceptional"
>> > >>> >> workflow
>> > >>> >> > - which will push us more in making sure airflow main is really
>> > >>> "green"
>> > >>> >> -
>> > >>> >> > which ultimately is our goal to make it as green as possible
>> all
>> > the
>> > >>> >> time.
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > What **might help with that** (and also keeping the "enable
>> auto
>> > >>> merge"
>> > >>> >> > might motivate it more to) is to:
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > * speed up the builds - we MUST prioritise now ARC (K8S
>> > self-hosted
>> > >>> >> > runners) to make our builds simply faster - I started a
>> discussion
>> > >>> and a
>> > >>> >> > small group of people who can work together to complete it
>> after
>> > >>> >> Hussein's
>> > >>> >> > POC)
>> > >>> >> > * speed up the image release - with ARM runners (which we
>> might be
>> > >>> able
>> > >>> >> to
>> > >>> >> > do independently as recently I think we have hypervisor-enabled
>> > ARM
>> > >>> >> images
>> > >>> >> > available as public runners as github made it generally
>> > available).
>> > >>> >> > * speed up the doc builds for airflow-site - we (mainly Pavan)
>> are
>> > >>> >> close to
>> > >>> >> > complete offloading of the historical release docs to S3 and I
>> > hope
>> > >>> it
>> > >>> >> will
>> > >>> >> > cut down a lot on doc publishing workflows.
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >> > J,
>> > >>> >> >
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> >
>>
>

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