Stephen, On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 06:44, Stephen McConnell wrote: > Peter Courcoux wrote: > > >0.00002 cents worth from a lurker! > > > >Random thoughts follow! > > > >AF, Phoenix and Fortress are released. You're stuck with them! > > > > Actually, no. As noted by Berin (PMC Chair), Fortress has not released > by the Avalon PMC. > > Berin Loritsch wrote: > > > I can deny that it is released in any official capacity. In fact it > > should > > not be released in any official capacity. Releases must be approved > > by the > > PMC, and this library has never gone up for vote. As to it being in use > > and appreciated, a few folks are benefiting. As to relevant, I can't say > > either way. As to supported, only by one person, not the whole of > > Avalon. >
It is unfortunate that it was not properly voted on. There was a release announcement and people are using it. That is the important thing. I think it would do the Avalon project significant harm to withdraw it now and certainly, should it be withdrawn, it must be for a reason good enough to justify the withdrawal of any other properly released product. If there is no adequate reason to withdraw it then propose a vote to ratify the release. This is a separate issue from the main point of my post and hopefully can be quickly and easily dealt with. It should not be allowed to cloud the issues I raised. Regards, Peter > Peter Courcoux wrote: > > >0.00002 cents worth from a lurker! > > > >Random thoughts follow! > > > >AF, Phoenix and Fortress are released. You're stuck with them! > > > > Actually, no! > As noted by Berin (PMC Chair), Fortress has not been released by the > Avalon PMC. > > Berin Loritsch wrote: > > > I can deny that it is released in any official capacity. In fact it > should > > not be released in any official capacity. Releases must be approved > by the > > PMC, and this library has never gone up for vote. As to it being in use > > and appreciated, a few folks are benefiting. As to relevant, I can't say > > either way. As to supported, only by one person, not the whole of > Avalon. > > > As such, Fortress is not a released Avalon product. So in reality we > have Phoenix (without any viable community), Fortress (unreleased), and > that radical, divergent and creative thing called Merlin. > > So instead of thinking about: > > ! > ! what is it that Avalon is obliged to live with (past tense) > ! > > you must consider the following question ... > > ! > !"what do we actually have to live with" (future tense) > ! > > Don't assume that the die is cast. Instead, hold the developers in this > community accountable and responsible not only to their technology but > the procedures that the self-same developers proclaim to represent. > Restate your questions but restate it with full and complete knowledge > of the context and the implications of the questions that you raise. > > Stephen. -- Peter Courcoux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
