Berin Loritsch wrote:

Stephen McConnell wrote:

I would argue that the "mess" in this equation was the historical absence of specifications concerning important - no - critical semantics. This is not a Merlin thing - it's simply the fact that the missing semantics are now being documented.

There is no longer any reasonable justification for concurrent, conflicting, or non-existent specifications. If we don't like the resulting Avalon semantics - then we change the specification (within the historical constraints we are subject to).


Please realize that "change the semantics" means _practically_ that every proposal by me is summarily rejected, as history bears out.

Not sure what your getting at.

What I'm getting at is that there is still a lot of work to be done to evolve our specifications to a level that enables the goal of portable components. Additional semantics will be needed in places where they are missing. I figure a lot of these "new" semantics will not relate to the framework - instead that will be defined as a collection of Avalon specifications addressing specific concerns.

I imagine that one of those concerns will be the "Component Model" starting with version 1.0.

It also means that a Merlin utility is offered to be promoted as a distributable, and then magically becomes the standard unbeknownst to the rest of the Avalon team.

This sideways definition of semantics and procedural mess is the bad that has come from Merlin. Its as if noone really had a clue what they were agreeing to, and then stuck with what was there. We are not microsoft, and we cannot run the community like their EULAs. Everything needs to be discussed out in the open with all side effects enumerated.

You could try getting more engaged in the process - contributing code, documentation, supporting users, etc. I have to say that there is a big disconnect between the view your presenting in the above paragraphs and the view I (and others) have.


As for improving communication the door is wide open.

Stephen.

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