Hi bibliographers,

please apologice my a bit caustically tone, but OOo2.0 will be out in some
months. We are near the beta and I am tesing current snapshots and hecking /
sending issues quite frequently now.

And where are we?

No doubt, we have made up our mind quite intensely about an architectural
framework of the new OOoBib, have throughoutly discussed many details and have
proposed and tested several highly intersting concepts.

But have the users of OOo1.1.x and OOo2.0 profited by this, so far. I think,
mainly not. :-(

OOo2.0 will have a lot of new interesting features, some of which I believe are
or might be highly important, such as task bars, the OOo Base application and -
last, but not least, the new OpenDocument file format, which hopefully will
allow for saving complex references in a future version of OOo.

But OOo2.0 still has the same bibliographic functionality as OOo1.1.4 - which
is, as many users have remarked - simly not practically usable. (OK, the bib.
database standard field lengths have changed, but this could already be done
manually in older versions. If I have missed out some other improvement, let me
know.)

Therefore I once again urgently plead, that at least some easy issues as f.e.
issue 29910 (http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=29910) which
concerns the insert citation dialog, get fixed before OOo2.0, just to let the
users know we care about the current OOo versions as well.

I believe that even if OOoBib implementation should start after OOo2.0 release
(which I really hope), it will take another year or so to get finished. In the
meantime the users will have to use the current bibliographic features. So
these should get improved just so much, as to be practically usable.

I cannot do this: I still have no knowledge of C++ and have no understanding of
the current OOo source code. But if anybody of you could get someone who has
and ask him/her to fix simple things as the issue 29910 mentioned above I would
be very, very grateful.

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P.S. As a remark to David warming up the topic of a "standalone app". Yes, I
would like that too. Beeing realistic about who will code OOoBib (not one of us
probably, and neither me in particular) the Sun developers will probably perfer
to code it in C++ and probably (hopefully!) make OOoBib something like the
OOoBase application in OOo2.0, that is, a standalone program with the OOo look
and feel, which is closely interacting with the other components as f.e.
Writer. If I am not mistaken, OOoBib could use exactly this architecture too.

I know Martha wrote in the Architectural Design 2.0
> "A "database GUI" in a floating window that for Version 1 is called
> from within an OOoWriter document."
but I would personally stronly prefer a standalone app similar to OOo Base -
which could then of course, without any problem, be called from within Writer.
(Having OOoBib in a Writer window and trying to separate it later, would, on
the contrary be much more difficult, I should think.) Anyway, having OOoBib as
a separate component will keep the architecture flexible and the two programs 
Writer and OOoBib separate, which IMHO does improve maintainability. (Plus the
already stated advantage that a user does not have to open a writer document,
just to do maintenance work or to search in his/her database.)

Matthias Basler
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