There is still a remaining positive point, or some light at the end of a long 
tunnel, and that is that Sun developers have agreed that bibliographic 
'improvements' should be in OOo version 3. No date is yet set for version 3 
but I would guess that it is more than a 12 months away. As far as I can tell 
The Sun developers are still flat out bug fixing version 2, and they have not 
started a new round of enhancement planning.

I have put in two submissions to give talks at the OOo conference in Lyon, 
France in Sept 2006 where I hope to promote the Bibliographic Project. I am 
depended upon getting a subsidy  for the Australia-France airfare. We should 
hear if this is accepted or not in the next few weeks.

Regarding private  funding, I have been somewhat  reluctant in the past, the 
principle reason reason was that we probably needed several thousand  
dollars, and I was worried that if people sent in less that the amount 
needed, I would be left holding not enough money and people pissed off 
because nothing was happening.  

Perhaps we could set up scheme where people can make pledges for funding. And 
the pledges would only be collected when we have a enough pledged for the 
task ?  If the pledged amount was not delivered by a certain time it could be 
refunded, or kept, depending on the donor's wishes. Anyway I am will to 
discuss ways and means.  


regards


David







On Thursday 15 June 2006 3:04 am, Matthew Yates wrote:
> Wow, this series of e-mails is depressing.  I am a
> professor at the University of Rochester and use
> Openoffice daily, so along with Matt Price and Bruce
> D'Arcus, there are at least a few people interested in
> using Openoffice in academia.  I've been following
> this issue for some time (I'm the one who suggested
> the failed attempt to get funding from the NSF CCLI
> program).  Bibliographic support is the ONLY reason I
> do not use Openoffice exclusively and have my students
> use it exclusively as well.  I otherwise love it.  But
> right now I use Endnote on Linux using Codeweavers
> Crossover office to add/remove citations to papers I
> write.  I must then us MS Word to do the final
> formatting of the bibiography before submitting for
> publication.
>
> I was really hopeful a year or so ago that better
> bibliographic support would be built in by now.  I am
> disturbed that people seem to be giving up now, but I
> am not sure what can be done to help.  If Sun
> developers will not be able to work on this, could
> they provide a reasonable estimate of coding man hours
> needed based on the specs (and perhaps a cost
> estimate)?  Could the community (me included) try to
> raise funding that could be ear-marked for this
> project?  If enough money could be set aside, then
> perhaps the development could move forward.  As with
> many people, I have little free time for this, but it
> is an important issue for me and I would like to help
> somehow.
>
> -Matt
>
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