On Thursday 15 June 2006 10:34 am, Matthew Yates wrote: > David, > > I like the pledge idea. Codeweavers set up something > similar where users can pledge money for a "favorite" > windows application. The Codeweavers developers can > then prioritize development to get new applications > functioning based on the pledges for it. When they > get it working, they collect the pledges for it. > > The only problem is that people can be fickle and > financial situations of people change over time so > there is no certainty that all pledges will be > collected. It Codeweavers case, for any pledge less > than $500, they take your word for it. Over $500, > they make you put money in escrow at www.escrow.com. > Thanks for the suggestion . I had a look but I could not find any description of this could you find a reference for me ? > Even with the collection uncertainty, the pledge idea > is a good one and is probably better than direct > contributions. > > I don't suppose Sun would share customer e-mail > addresses in academia? It would be nice to contact > users at universities to try and drum up pledges. It would be good if they did. But I do not imagine they would. We may have find another approach.
> > -Matt > > --- David Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There is still a remaining positive point, or some > > light at the end of a long > > tunnel, and that is that Sun developers have agreed > > that bibliographic > > 'improvements' should be in OOo version 3. No date > > is yet set for version 3 > > but I would guess that it is more than a 12 months > > away. As far as I can tell > > The Sun developers are still flat out bug fixing > > version 2, and they have not > > started a new round of enhancement planning. > > > > I have put in two submissions to give talks at the > > OOo conference in Lyon, > > France in Sept 2006 where I hope to promote the > > Bibliographic Project. I am > > depended upon getting a subsidy for the > > Australia-France airfare. We should > > hear if this is accepted or not in the next few > > weeks. > > > > Regarding private funding, I have been somewhat > > reluctant in the past, the > > principle reason reason was that we probably needed > > several thousand > > dollars, and I was worried that if people sent in > > less that the amount > > needed, I would be left holding not enough money and > > people pissed off > > because nothing was happening. > > > > Perhaps we could set up scheme where people can make > > pledges for funding. And > > the pledges would only be collected when we have a > > enough pledged for the > > task ? If the pledged amount was not delivered by a > > certain time it could be > > refunded, or kept, depending on the donor's wishes. > > Anyway I am will to > > discuss ways and means. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 15 June 2006 3:04 am, Matthew Yates > > > > wrote: > > > Wow, this series of e-mails is depressing. I am a > > > professor at the University of Rochester and use > > > Openoffice daily, so along with Matt Price and > > > > Bruce > > > > > D'Arcus, there are at least a few people > > > > interested in > > > > > using Openoffice in academia. I've been following > > > this issue for some time (I'm the one who > > > > suggested > > > > > the failed attempt to get funding from the NSF > > > > CCLI > > > > > program). Bibliographic support is the ONLY > > > > reason I > > > > > do not use Openoffice exclusively and have my > > > > students > > > > > use it exclusively as well. I otherwise love it. > > > > But > > > > > right now I use Endnote on Linux using Codeweavers > > > Crossover office to add/remove citations to papers > > > > I > > > > > write. I must then us MS Word to do the final > > > formatting of the bibiography before submitting > > > > for > > > > > publication. > > > > > > I was really hopeful a year or so ago that better > > > bibliographic support would be built in by now. I > > > > am > > > > > disturbed that people seem to be giving up now, > > > > but I > > > > > am not sure what can be done to help. If Sun > > > developers will not be able to work on this, could > > > they provide a reasonable estimate of coding man > > > > hours > > > > > needed based on the specs (and perhaps a cost > > > estimate)? Could the community (me included) try > > > > to > > > > > raise funding that could be ear-marked for this > > > project? If enough money could be set aside, then > > > perhaps the development could move forward. As > > > > with > > > > > many people, I have little free time for this, but > > > > it > > > > > is an important issue for me and I would like to > > > > help > > > > > somehow. > > > > > > -Matt > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > > protection around > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > > ------------------- > > David N. Wilson > > Co-Project Lead for the Bibliographic > > OpenOffice Project > > http://bibliographic.openoffice.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ------------------- David N. Wilson Co-Project Lead for the Bibliographic OpenOffice Project http://bibliographic.openoffice.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
