Bumping this thread.

> I thinking we should have one stack which can support for upgrading the
existing the HDP deployed clusters. Even I can see somebody asking on
bigtop[2].

+1, we should have HDP (similar) stack to support minor version upgrades.


On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 12:30 AM Battula, Brahma Reddy
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi @Masatake Iwasaki,
>
> >    -1 as we already discussed.
> Thanks for your feedback, I would definitely honour it. As you are not
> open for discussion and asked us raise the PR hence you thought of
> discussing on the PR. What will be your final suggestion on this..?
>
> @Roman Shaposhnik
> I just gone through the following jira[1] where you brought ambari to
> bigtop. Looks stack-select is not included, how it was maintained.?
> I thinking we should have one stack which can support for upgrading the
> existing the HDP deployed clusters. Even I can see somebody asking on
> bigtop[2].
>
> If bigtop is not right place, shall we include in ambari..?  Please let me
> know your thoughts on this. This blocks the 2.7.7 release.
>
> Note :  There is on-going ambari mpack which might take some more time.
> Even upgrades will take some time.
>
>
> 1. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BIGTOP-709
> 2. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BIGTOP-3651
>
>
> Regards,
> Brahma Reddy Battula
>
>
> On 01/09/22, 6:39 AM, "Masatake Iwasaki" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>     >  May be we can name it as bdp-select. Or (bgp-select)
>
>     -1 as we already discussed.
>
>     On 2022/09/01 4:43, Battula, Brahma Reddy wrote:
>     > Ok, thanks Viraj.
>     >
>     > Hopefully you can place here like all other how it's maintained. Let
> me know any help required on this. May be we can name it as bdp-select. Or
> (bgp-select)
>     >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fbigtop%2Ftree%2Fmaster%2Fbigtop-packages%2Fsrc%2Fcommon&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cbbattula%40visa.com%7Caf797ca5e4694d7c174a08da8bb69b8b%7C38305e12e15d4ee888b9c4db1c477d76%7C0%7C0%7C637975913668870137%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=S%2FpiuGqaMjpNpr3AziXPz1QWTV5pD5OGx%2BICpSiXetE%3D&amp;reserved=0
>     >
>     >
>     > On 30/08/22, 5:26 AM, "Viraj Jasani" <[email protected]> wrote:
>     >
>     >      Masatake, Brahma,
>     >
>     >      Hopefully I should be able to create Jira and PR in Bigtop.
> Will let you
>     >      know once ready for review. Thanks
>     >
>     >
>     >      On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 9:22 AM Masatake Iwasaki <
> [email protected]>
>     >      wrote:
>     >
>     >      > Please file a JIRA and submit a pull request if you want to
> show the code
>     >      > and get feedback.
>     >      > There is nothing I want to discuss off the record.
>     >      >
>     >      > On 2022/08/23 18:48, Battula, Brahma Reddy wrote:
>     >      > > @Masatake Iwasaki ,@Viraj Jasani , @Kengo Seki and others,
> can we get
>     >      > the final conclusion on this..?
>     >      > >
>     >      > > Please let me know your availability, Can have one call to
> discuss on
>     >      > this..
>     >      > >
>     >      > >
>     >      > > On 24/07/22, 1:31 AM, "Battula, Brahma Reddy"
> <[email protected]>
>     >      > wrote:
>     >      > >
>     >      > >      >  -1 on development in branch.
>     >      > >       >   It is not worth for maintaining the branch if the
> modules is
>     >      > so small
>     >      > >        >  and barely updated as explained here.
>     >      > >        >  It should not conflict to existing code.
>     >      > >         >  I feel I must check the code before check-in
> based on this
>     >      > thread.
>     >      > >
>     >      > >
>     >      > >      Sure, Viraj or me can show the code to you.
>     >      > >
>     >      > >      Can we've call on this Friday/Thrusday if that works..?
>     >      > >
>     >      > >
>     >      > >      On 11/07/22, 11:54 AM, "Masatake Iwasaki" <
>     >      > [email protected]> wrote:
>     >      > >
>     >      > >          > Sure, we can havemodule name like
> bigtop-distro-select.
>     >      > >          > Initially we'll do this separate branch.
>     >      > >
>     >      > >          -1 on development in branch.
>     >      > >          It is not worth for maintaining the branch if the
> modules is so
>     >      > small
>     >      > >          and barely updated as explained here.
>     >      > >          It should not conflict to existing code.
>     >      > >          I feel I must check the code before check-in based
> on this
>     >      > thread.
>     >      > >
>     >      > >          Masatake Iwasaki
>     >      > >
>     >      > >          On 2022/07/11 8:23, Kengo Seki wrote:
>     >      > >          >> As there are different opinions on this and
> took long time,
>     >      > just to brainstorm all the possibilities and pitfalls.
>     >      > >          >
>     >      > >          > Oh, I interpreted your words "conclude" and
> "finalize" as you
>     >      > were
>     >      > >          > going to make a final decision. Brainstorming is
> welcome, of
>     >      > course.
>     >      > >          > (But I'm not so sure if all people concerned
> could join, due
>     >      > to time
>     >      > >          > difference and their schedule, etc.)
>     >      > >          >
>     >      > >          >> Can you suggest, how the changes will be also..
> like folder,
>     >      > where you suggest to keep this...?
>     >      > >          >
>     >      > >          > Sure, here's my proposal:
>     >      > >          >
>     >      > >          > * Stack name: "BIGTOP"
>     >      > >          >
>     >      > >          >    - The same name as the existing one [1]
>     >      > >          >    - Because it deploys the packages generated
> by Bigtop
>     >      > >          >    - The existing stack should be replaced with
> it, because
>     >      > that is
>     >      > >          > based on Bigtop 0.8 and too old to use now
>     >      > >          >    - No concern about infringing others'
> trademark
>     >      > >          >
>     >      > >          > * Component/folder name: "bigtop-select"
>     >      > >          >
>     >      > >          >    - Consistent naming convention with the
> existing tools
>     >      > such as
>     >      > >          > "bigtop-groovy", "bigtop-jsvc", "bigtop-utils"
> [2]
>     >      > >          >    - If it sounds too simple and a bit unclear,
> a more
>     >      > descriptive name
>     >      > >          > might be an option, for example
> "bigtop-ambari-stack-selector"
>     >      > >          >
>     >      > >          > * Script name: "bigtop-select"
>     >      > >          >
>     >      > >          >    - Consistent with the stack name
>     >      > >          >    - No concern about infringing others'
> trademark
>     >      > >          >
>     >      > >          > [1]:
>     >      >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fambari%2Ftree%2Frelease-2.7.6%2Fambari-server%2Fsrc%2Fmain%2Fresources%2Fstacks%2FBIGTOP%2F0.8&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cbbattula%40visa.com%7Caf797ca5e4694d7c174a08da8bb69b8b%7C38305e12e15d4ee888b9c4db1c477d76%7C0%7C0%7C637975913668870137%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=9BsY7Ho%2FS9Ogep35Yt0iiv0TXUULMbR2Ml25NP%2FX3gE%3D&amp;reserved=0
>     >      > >          > [2]:
>     >      >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Fbigtop%2Ftree%2Fmaster%2Fbigtop-packages%2Fsrc%2Fcommon&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cbbattula%40visa.com%7Caf797ca5e4694d7c174a08da8bb69b8b%7C38305e12e15d4ee888b9c4db1c477d76%7C0%7C0%7C637975913668870137%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=S%2FpiuGqaMjpNpr3AziXPz1QWTV5pD5OGx%2BICpSiXetE%3D&amp;reserved=0
>     >      > >          >
>     >      > >          > Kengo Seki <[email protected]>
>     >      > >          >
>     >      > >          > On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 3:19 AM Battula, Brahma
> Reddy
>     >      > >          > <[email protected]> wrote:
>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >>>   Technical decisions shouldn't be done on
> other places
>     >      > than public mailing lists,
>     >      > >          >>>   as described in the "Open Communications"
> section of [1]
>     >      > and [2].
>     >      > >          >>   > So we should conclude the discussion in
> this mailing
>     >      > list.
>     >      > >          >>   > (And with my poor English, I'm not so
> confident to catch
>     >      > up with your
>     >      > >          >>    > fluent talk ;)
>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >> I believe , I knew the apache way which you
> mentioned. We
>     >      > are not going conclude anything which comes to bigtop other
> than this
>     >      > mailing list.
>     >      > >          >> As there are different opinions on this and
> took long time,
>     >      > just to brainstorm all the possibilities and pitfalls. Hence
> asking let's
>     >      > have  call so that we can brainstorm. Even after call,
> everything will be
>     >      > published what we discussed.
>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >> I think, whiteboarding will help to catch up
> with you.
>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >> You all the think "bigtop-select" will be best
> option
>     >      > right..? Can you suggest, how the changes will be also.. like
> folder, where
>     >      > you suggest to keep this...?
>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >> And if the name represents the stack which we
> are going to
>     >      > deploy should fine I feel.. (if it's not BDP, may be
>     >      > OBDP:OpensourceBigDataPlatform.)
>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >> @Viraj Jasani and others any thoughts..?
>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >> On 10/07/22, 11:03 AM, "Kengo Seki" <
> [email protected]>
>     >      > wrote:
>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >>      > Looks we had so much discussed here,
> Let's try to
>     >      > conclude. Can we've one call on this and finalize this..?
>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >>      Technical decisions shouldn't be done on
> other places
>     >      > than public mailing lists,
>     >      > >          >>      as described in the "Open Communications"
> section of
>     >      > [1] and [2].
>     >      > >          >>      So we should conclude the discussion in
> this mailing
>     >      > list.
>     >      > >          >>      (And with my poor English, I'm not so
> confident to
>     >      > catch up with your
>     >      > >          >>      fluent talk ;)
>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >>      > FYI. Even looks bigtop used some where
> also..
>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >>      Bigtop is ASF's trademark as you can see
> in the "Apache
>     >      > Bigtop®
>     >      > >          >>      software" section of [3].
>     >      > >          >>      So it doesn't have the risk of trademark
> infringement.
>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >>      [1]:
>     >      >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apache.org%2Ftheapacheway%2Findex.html%23what-makes-the-apache-way-so-hard-to-define&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cbbattula%40visa.com%7Caf797ca5e4694d7c174a08da8bb69b8b%7C38305e12e15d4ee888b9c4db1c477d76%7C0%7C0%7C637975913668870137%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=JNFdxHAV%2B180ytJ84yCiX2MF1c3WptpCHkMMq2VIAvI%3D&amp;reserved=0
>     >      > >          >>      [2]:
>     >      >
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>     >      > >          >>      [3]:
>     >      >
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>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >>      Kengo Seki <[email protected]>
>     >      > >          >>
>     >      > >          >>      On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:11 AM Battula,
> Brahma Reddy
>     >      > >          >>      <[email protected]> wrote:
>     >      > >          >>      >
>     >      > >          >>      > Looks we had so much discussed here,
> Let's try to
>     >      > conclude. Can we've one call on this and finalize this..?
>     >      > >          >>      >
>     >      > >          >>      > FYI. Even looks bigtop used some
> where[1] also..
>     >      > >          >>      > 1.
>     >      >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBigtop_&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cbbattula%40visa.com%7Caf797ca5e4694d7c174a08da8bb69b8b%7C38305e12e15d4ee888b9c4db1c477d76%7C0%7C0%7C637975913668870137%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=0%2Bd1Fdpqvm7xIg3xuifU4A4YxDyudbqR5QAcM3CY16A%3D&amp;reserved=0(Microsoft_product)
>     >      > >          >>      >
>     >      > >          >>      >
>     >      > >          >>      > On 08/07/22, 8:06 PM, "Kengo Seki" <
> [email protected]>
>     >      > wrote:
>     >      > >          >>      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     Thank you for your explanation,
> Brahma.
>     >      > >          >>      >     CRH (abbreviation of "CHINA REDOOP
> HYPERLOOP"
>     >      > [1]) is supposed to be a
>     >      > >          >>      >     trademark of Redoop, so they can
> name the script
>     >      > crh-select without
>     >      > >          >>      >     problem.
>     >      > >          >>      >     But regarding BDP for example, I can
> easily find
>     >      > products that have
>     >      > >          >>      >     the same name [2][3][4] as you
> already mentioned,
>     >      > so I'd like to
>     >      > >          >>      >     recommend bigtop-select for avoiding
> unnecessary
>     >      > trouble.
>     >      > >          >>      >     Or, a single and more general word
> just like
>     >      > conf-select may be less
>     >      > >          >>      >     troublesome than bdp. How about
> "stack-select",
>     >      > for example?
>     >      > >          >>      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     [1]:
>     >      >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.redoop.com%2F&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cbbattula%40visa.com%7Caf797ca5e4694d7c174a08da8bb69b8b%7C38305e12e15d4ee888b9c4db1c477d76%7C0%7C0%7C637975913668870137%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=nnRgIq2HQVdtc1Kb%2BBLvnCTvS%2FhFKosRI8RUT%2FLdMWg%3D&amp;reserved=0
>     >      > >          >>      >     [2]:
>     >      >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatumstudio.jp%2Fen%2Fbigdataplatform%2F&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cbbattula%40visa.com%7Caf797ca5e4694d7c174a08da8bb69b8b%7C38305e12e15d4ee888b9c4db1c477d76%7C0%7C0%7C637975913668870137%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=J%2FU7YtNSZf3bj2gJdtAlqKOD32spN9WhxdXWFq99SNs%3D&amp;reserved=0
>     >      > >          >>      >     [3]:
>     >      >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.talend.com%2Fr%2Fen-US%2F8.0%2Fstudio-getting-started-guide-big-data-platform%2Fintroduction&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cbbattula%40visa.com%7Caf797ca5e4694d7c174a08da8bb69b8b%7C38305e12e15d4ee888b9c4db1c477d76%7C0%7C0%7C637975913668870137%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=VrvAvV2XqTceYlL0ECZALubZTYr9l3nCF8AGqRdpTwU%3D&amp;reserved=0
>     >      > >          >>      >     [4]:
>     >      >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.harmony-alliance.eu%2Fbigdata-platform%2Fbig-data-platform&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cbbattula%40visa.com%7Caf797ca5e4694d7c174a08da8bb69b8b%7C38305e12e15d4ee888b9c4db1c477d76%7C0%7C0%7C637975913668870137%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=BeN59qsYv8TtqHAmZiVGfgTDw8z8CS0SGvttMxrl1Sc%3D&amp;reserved=0
>     >      > >          >>      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     Kengo Seki <[email protected]>
>     >      > >          >>      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 2:51 AM
> Battula, Brahma
>     >      > Reddy <[email protected]> wrote:
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >Do you mean that you're going
> to name the
>     >      > module (same as "component"
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >in the Bigtop terminology, I
> think)
>     >      > bigtop-distro-select,
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >and still the script in
> question
>     >      > bdp-select? If so, is there any
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >reason that the script must
> be that name?
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >(No offence, I just want to
> understand
>     >      > your thoughts and its
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >background, and avoid the
> conflict or
>     >      > user's confusion with existing
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >trademarks or products)
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     > Thanks @Kengo Seki for
> consolidating all the
>     >      > concerns. Name should represent the stack which includes all
> the components
>     >      > hence planning to have like bdp,bds...and this only one file
> like below[1]
>     >      > which has done redoop.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      >
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fredoop%2Fbigtop%2Ftree%2Fe5f9fe81773180159d291f18ec366ac8bfa4d6d2%2Fbigtop-packages%2Fsrc%2Fcommon%2Fambari-mpacks%2Fselector&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cbbattula%40visa.com%7Caf797ca5e4694d7c174a08da8bb69b8b%7C38305e12e15d4ee888b9c4db1c477d76%7C0%7C0%7C637975913668870137%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=cl4GkOSgDS%2BsmXbNAduR7Q9WDrirZuNH3BxRnVExdOs%3D&amp;reserved=0
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     > On 07/07/22, 6:07 AM, "Kengo Seki"
> <
>     >      > [email protected]> wrote:
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     The following concern Masatake
> mentioned
>     >      > before is an important point,
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     so I talked to Brahma for
> clarifying his
>     >      > intention on the ASF Slack
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     yesterday.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     > Multiple versions of the
> same package
>     >      > (deb/rpm) can not be installed at the same time.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     > IIRC, HDP uses convention in
> which the
>     >      > product version is part of package name
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     > for addressing this.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     > I don't like to bring the
> awkward package
>     >      > name convention to Bigtop
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     > at least by default.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     He's planning to adopt the
> same mitigation
>     >      > as HDP for now, but he
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     doesn't intend to change the
> default
>     >      > package naming convention of
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     Bigtop,
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     but just add a new
> functionality to include
>     >      > an extra part into the
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     package name for avoiding
> conflict, which
>     >      > is disabled by default.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     And Brahma, let me confirm
> about the
>     >      > following reply:
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     > Sure, we can have module
> name like
>     >      > bigtop-distro-select.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     Do you mean that you're going
> to name the
>     >      > module (same as "component"
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     in the Bigtop terminology, I
> think)
>     >      > bigtop-distro-select,
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     and still the script in
> question
>     >      > bdp-select? If so, is there any
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     reason that the script must be
> that name?
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     (No offence, I just want to
> understand your
>     >      > thoughts and its
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     background, and avoid the
> conflict or
>     >      > user's confusion with existing
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     trademarks or products)
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     Kengo Seki <[email protected]>
>     >      > >          >>      >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 2:08 AM
> Battula,
>     >      > Brahma Reddy
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     > >   The name of stack based
> no Bigtop
>     >      > should be Bigtop.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >   >   If you can not accept
> the name like
>     >      > bigtop-*, the work should done outside of Bigtop.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >   >  I will cast -1 if
> someone submit a
>     >      > patch to add a module with the name spoiling branding.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     > Sure, we can have module
> name like
>     >      > bigtop-distro-select.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     > Initially we'll do this
> separate branch.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     > On 06/07/22, 8:55 AM,
> "Masatake Iwasaki" <
>     >      > [email protected]> wrote:
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     > I believe it's for
> project name.
>     >      > isn't it.?
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     projects and products.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     > IMO, We need to create
> folders and
>     >      > refer stacknames so ambari-select,bigtop-select wn't looks
> good.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     The name of stack based
> no Bigtop
>     >      > should be Bigtop.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     If you can not accept
> the name like
>     >      > bigtop-*, the work should done outside of Bigtop.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     I will cast -1 if
> someone submit a
>     >      > patch to add a module with the name spoiling branding.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     On 2022/07/06 11:44,
> Battula, Brahma
>     >      > Reddy wrote:
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     > I believe it's for
> project name.
>     >      > isn't it.?
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     > On 06/07/22, 7:27 AM,
> "Masatake
>     >      > Iwasaki" <[email protected]> wrote:
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > But As we are
> not releasing
>     >      > as enterprise should be fine I think. IMO, We need to create
> folders and
>     >      > refer stacknames so ambari-select,bigtop-select wn't looks
> good.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      Not fine.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      We have a
> trademark policy.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
>     >      >
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>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      On 2022/07/06
> 10:37, Battula,
>     >      > Brahma Reddy wrote:
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >> Should we avoid
>     >      > unrecognized brand which may be trademark of someone?
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >> ambari-select
> or
>     >      > bigtop-select should be enough.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > Not sure, where
> to confirm
>     >      > whether there is already trademark. When I googled found so
> many.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > But As we are
> not releasing
>     >      > as enterprise should be fine I think. IMO, We need to create
> folders and
>     >      > refer stacknames so ambari-select,bigtop-select wn't looks
> good.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > May be you can
> refer the
>     >      > initial proposal [2] where I mentioned some more names.
>     >      > (BDS-BigDataStack,OSS-OpenSourceSelect..)
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > Finally thanks
> a bunch for
>     >      > long healthy discussions on this. Mostly we all same page now.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > 1.
>     >      >
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>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > 2.
>     >      >
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>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > On 06/07/22,
> 4:01 AM,
>     >      > "Masatake Iwasaki" <[email protected]> wrote:
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > We have
> still not
>     >      > officially finalized the new replacement name for
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      >
> hdp-select, it would
>     >      > likely be bdp-select (bdp: BigData Platform). However,
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > the
> purpose of
>     >      > bdp-select and conf-select remains the same.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      Should we
> avoid
>     >      > unrecognized brand which may be trademark of someone?
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
> ambari-select or
>     >      > bigtop-select should be enough.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      On
> 2022/06/29 13:52,
>     >      > Viraj Jasani wrote:
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > Hi
> Ambari/Bigtop dev,
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > As per
> the new
>     >      > roadmap of Apache Ambari, we would like to propose moving
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > certain
> scripts
>     >      > (previously known as hdp-select and conf-select) to Bigtop
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > so that
> their rpm
>     >      > installation could be managed independently.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > These
> scripts are a
>     >      > basic necessity in the Ambari framework for the
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      >
> installation of
>     >      > various Bigdata packages. The only major changes they would
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > receive
> is when we
>     >      > onboard new services and components to Ambari, else they
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > usually
> do not
>     >      > receive updates. In the past, we used to get hdp-select rpm
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      >
> downloaded and
>     >      > installed from HDP repositories.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > We have
> still not
>     >      > officially finalized the new replacement name for
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      >
> hdp-select, it would
>     >      > likely be bdp-select (bdp: BigData Platform). However,
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > the
> purpose of
>     >      > bdp-select and conf-select remains the same.
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
>     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
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