Technical decisions shouldn't be done on other places than public mailing
lists,
as described in the "Open Communications" section of [1] and [2].
> So we should conclude the discussion in this mailing list.
> (And with my poor English, I'm not so confident to catch up with your
> fluent talk ;)
I believe , I knew the apache way which you mentioned. We are not going
conclude anything which comes to bigtop other than this mailing list.
As there are different opinions on this and took long time, just to brainstorm
all the possibilities and pitfalls. Hence asking let's have call so that we
can brainstorm. Even after call, everything will be published what we discussed.
I think, whiteboarding will help to catch up with you.
You all the think "bigtop-select" will be best option right..? Can you suggest,
how the changes will be also.. like folder, where you suggest to keep this...?
And if the name represents the stack which we are going to deploy should fine I
feel.. (if it's not BDP, may be OBDP:OpensourceBigDataPlatform.)
@Viraj Jasani and others any thoughts..?
On 10/07/22, 11:03 AM, "Kengo Seki" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Looks we had so much discussed here, Let's try to conclude. Can we've
one call on this and finalize this..?
Technical decisions shouldn't be done on other places than public mailing
lists,
as described in the "Open Communications" section of [1] and [2].
So we should conclude the discussion in this mailing list.
(And with my poor English, I'm not so confident to catch up with your
fluent talk ;)
> FYI. Even looks bigtop used some where also..
Bigtop is ASF's trademark as you can see in the "Apache Bigtop®
software" section of [3].
So it doesn't have the risk of trademark infringement.
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On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:11 AM Battula, Brahma Reddy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Looks we had so much discussed here, Let's try to conclude. Can we've
one call on this and finalize this..?
>
> FYI. Even looks bigtop used some where[1] also..
> 1.
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> On 08/07/22, 8:06 PM, "Kengo Seki" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Thank you for your explanation, Brahma.
> CRH (abbreviation of "CHINA REDOOP HYPERLOOP" [1]) is supposed to be
a
> trademark of Redoop, so they can name the script crh-select without
> problem.
> But regarding BDP for example, I can easily find products that have
> the same name [2][3][4] as you already mentioned, so I'd like to
> recommend bigtop-select for avoiding unnecessary trouble.
> Or, a single and more general word just like conf-select may be less
> troublesome than bdp. How about "stack-select", for example?
>
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> Kengo Seki <[email protected]>
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 2:51 AM Battula, Brahma Reddy
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >Do you mean that you're going to name the module (same as
"component"
> > >in the Bigtop terminology, I think) bigtop-distro-select,
> > >and still the script in question bdp-select? If so, is there
any
> > >reason that the script must be that name?
> > >(No offence, I just want to understand your thoughts and its
> > >background, and avoid the conflict or user's confusion with
existing
> > >trademarks or products)
> >
> > Thanks @Kengo Seki for consolidating all the concerns. Name should
represent the stack which includes all the components hence planning to have like
bdp,bds...and this only one file like below[1] which has done redoop.
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > On 07/07/22, 6:07 AM, "Kengo Seki" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > The following concern Masatake mentioned before is an
important point,
> > so I talked to Brahma for clarifying his intention on the ASF
Slack
> > yesterday.
> >
> > > Multiple versions of the same package (deb/rpm) can not be
installed at the same time.
> > > IIRC, HDP uses convention in which the product version is
part of package name
> > > for addressing this.
> >
> > > I don't like to bring the awkward package name convention to
Bigtop
> > > at least by default.
> >
> > He's planning to adopt the same mitigation as HDP for now, but
he
> > doesn't intend to change the default package naming convention
of
> > Bigtop,
> > but just add a new functionality to include an extra part into
the
> > package name for avoiding conflict, which is disabled by
default.
> >
> > And Brahma, let me confirm about the following reply:
> >
> > > Sure, we can have module name like bigtop-distro-select.
> >
> > Do you mean that you're going to name the module (same as
"component"
> > in the Bigtop terminology, I think) bigtop-distro-select,
> > and still the script in question bdp-select? If so, is there
any
> > reason that the script must be that name?
> > (No offence, I just want to understand your thoughts and its
> > background, and avoid the conflict or user's confusion with
existing
> > trademarks or products)
> >
> > Kengo Seki <[email protected]>
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 2:08 AM Battula, Brahma Reddy
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The name of stack based no Bigtop should be Bigtop.
> > > > If you can not accept the name like bigtop-*, the work
should done outside of Bigtop.
> > > > I will cast -1 if someone submit a patch to add a
module with the name spoiling branding.
> > >
> > > Sure, we can have module name like bigtop-distro-select.
> > > Initially we'll do this separate branch.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/07/22, 8:55 AM, "Masatake Iwasaki"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I believe it's for project name. isn't it.?
> > >
> > > projects and products.
> > >
> > > > IMO, We need to create folders and refer stacknames so
ambari-select,bigtop-select wn't looks good.
> > >
> > > The name of stack based no Bigtop should be Bigtop.
> > > If you can not accept the name like bigtop-*, the work
should done outside of Bigtop.
> > > I will cast -1 if someone submit a patch to add a module
with the name spoiling branding.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2022/07/06 11:44, Battula, Brahma Reddy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I believe it's for project name. isn't it.?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 06/07/22, 7:27 AM, "Masatake Iwasaki"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > But As we are not releasing as enterprise
should be fine I think. IMO, We need to create folders and refer stacknames so
ambari-select,bigtop-select wn't looks good.
> > > >
> > > > Not fine.
> > > > We have a trademark policy.
> > > >
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> > > > On 2022/07/06 10:37, Battula, Brahma Reddy wrote:
> > > > >> Should we avoid unrecognized brand which may
be trademark of someone?
> > > > >> ambari-select or bigtop-select should be
enough.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure, where to confirm whether there is
already trademark. When I googled found so many.
> > > > > But As we are not releasing as enterprise
should be fine I think. IMO, We need to create folders and refer stacknames so
ambari-select,bigtop-select wn't looks good.
> > > > > May be you can refer the initial proposal [2]
where I mentioned some more names. (BDS-BigDataStack,OSS-OpenSourceSelect..)
> > > > >
> > > > > Finally thanks a bunch for long healthy
discussions on this. Mostly we all same page now.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1.
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> > > > > 2.
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> > > > >
> > > > > On 06/07/22, 4:01 AM, "Masatake Iwasaki"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > We have still not officially finalized
the new replacement name for
> > > > > > hdp-select, it would likely be
bdp-select (bdp: BigData Platform). However,
> > > > > > the purpose of bdp-select and
conf-select remains the same.
> > > > >
> > > > > Should we avoid unrecognized brand which
may be trademark of someone?
> > > > > ambari-select or bigtop-select should be
enough.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2022/06/29 13:52, Viraj Jasani wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Ambari/Bigtop dev,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As per the new roadmap of Apache Ambari,
we would like to propose moving
> > > > > > certain scripts (previously known as
hdp-select and conf-select) to Bigtop
> > > > > > so that their rpm installation could be
managed independently.
> > > > > > These scripts are a basic necessity in
the Ambari framework for the
> > > > > > installation of various Bigdata
packages. The only major changes they would
> > > > > > receive is when we onboard new services
and components to Ambari, else they
> > > > > > usually do not receive updates. In the
past, we used to get hdp-select rpm
> > > > > > downloaded and installed from HDP
repositories.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We have still not officially finalized
the new replacement name for
> > > > > > hdp-select, it would likely be
bdp-select (bdp: BigData Platform). However,
> > > > > > the purpose of bdp-select and
conf-select remains the same.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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