Hi all I think ajs6f (A. Soroka, sorry, don't know your firstname) has a good point here. Is clerezza without the legacy code still attractive for people to contribute?
@A. Soroka: IMO, if you could propose a functionality to implement on top of clerezza in a clean way e.g. the type-based rendering stuff but without adding a whole bunch of other issues, we might want to make that a part of clerezza in a new stack. By being a committer, one could participate in defining the further development of clerezza. I'd be glad to hear the opinions of other clerezza devs. regards hasan On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, Hasan-- > > I didn't make very much progress (really any) on resuscitating the > type-based rendering system because about that time I got heavily involved > as a committer for Jena. I'm still interested in pursuing that work, tho'. > > I'm certainly interested in being a committer for Clerezza, but I feel > that I have to ask, what is Clerezza? I don't mean that in a joking way, I > mean that without the type-based rendering system, I'm not sure exactly > when I would use Clerezza instead of a more well-developed and older RDF > framework like Jena or RDF4J. And if I need a measure of independence from > specific implementations, I could use Commons RDF to achieve that for most > core RDF concepts. > > I got interested in Clerezza because of the type-based-rendering system, > which seemed to offer the possibility (a little bit like LDPath templating) > of an elegant stack that could take me from persistence in a triplestore > all the way through into a browser or phone, without making me work at > spending time gluing together different layers that were never intended to > handle linked data. > > Can we articulate some clear, simple use cases for Clerezza? > > ajs6f > > > A. Soroka wrote on 11/13/17 9:36 AM: > >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> *From: *Hasan <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> *Subject: **Re: Interested in becoming a Clerezza committer ?* >>> *Date: *November 12, 2017 at 4:52:11 AM EST >>> *To: *"[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>" < >>> [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> *Reply-To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> Hi Reto, Stian, A. Soroka, and all Clerezza Devs. >>> >>> A year ago I started this thread. >>> I have made some small improvements to the website esp. the tutorials. >>> I admit It is a slow progress, but better slow than not at all. >>> I'd like to count on you all to make a faster progress. >>> So, if you have some ideas or would like to write or co-write tutorials, >>> please let us know. >>> >>> Further, I would like to ask for suggestions on how to improve our >>> existing >>> codes. >>> Do you have issues that can be resolved within this project? >>> >>> @A. Soroka: How was the outcome of your efforts to use parts of Apache >>> Clerezza Legacy codes (typerendering and typehandlerspace) ? >>> >>> @all: Would you like to become a new committer to further develop Apache >>> Clerezza? >>> Is there anything you miss that you want to see within Apache Clerezza? >>> >>> @Reto: What would you suggest to make Apache Clerezza more usable? >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> Hasan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Hasan Hasan <[email protected] <mailto: >>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Stian >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Stian Soiland-Reyes <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Agree for playing on Clerezzas strengths on JAX-RS and I would say to >>>>> actually include the SPARQL-as-Graph binding as well. >>>>> >>>>> Also worth seeing if there is possible crossover with the new incubator >>>>> podling Apache Juneau which is also looking for contributors: >>>>> http://juneau.incubator.apache.org/#about.html >>>>> >>>>> I think the Clerezza website need a bit of similar tutorials to get >>>>> started >>>>> so potential contributors understand what it is all about. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yes, it urgently needs an update. >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://clerezza.apache.org/getting-started/ links to "RESTful Web >>>>> Service >>>>> Framework (JAX-RS) Tutorial", "RDF Tutorial" and "Tutorial: Combining >>>>> JAX-RS and RDF" which are all 404 :-( >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Should probably be removed since it is not what Clerezza currently is >>>> now? >>>> It's a pity to remove a good tutorial, >>>> but what do you think? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Hasan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10 Nov 2016 4:18 pm, "A. Soroka" <[email protected] <mailto: >>>>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, Clerezza-folks! >>>>>> >>>>>> The most exciting part of Clerezza to me, by far, is the JAX-RS >>>>>> support. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd rather work on Commons RDF (or Jena, where I am a committer now) >>>>>> to >>>>>> move RDF APIs forward, and there are lots of powerful SPARQL impls out >>>>>> there, each with its own streangths and weaknesses. But the JAX-RS >>>>>> >>>>> thing-- >>>>> >>>>>> that's completely unique to Clerezza, and it's a really cool idea. >>>>>> It's >>>>>> >>>>> not >>>>> >>>>>> always easy to move RDF to and from the Web, and JAX-RS is a powerful, >>>>>> stable, enormously-well-supported technology so reusing it is a great >>>>>> tactical move. I'd be interested in working on Clerezza, but really >>>>>> only >>>>>> for the JAX-RS part. I'd actually be happy to see the RDF API move >>>>>> >>>>> towards >>>>> >>>>>> Commons (focus the efforts for more power!). >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> A. Soroka >>>>>> Apache Jena PMC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:25 AM, Hasan <[email protected] <mailto: >>>>>>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Clerezza Developers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clerezza PMC is currently looking for new committers to help >>>>>>> >>>>>> developing >>>>> >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>>>> improving Apache Clerezza. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apache Clerezza allows to easily develop semantic web application by >>>>>>> providing the following: >>>>>>> - An API to access RDF Graphs >>>>>>> - SPARQL Support >>>>>>> - Support of JAX-RS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you or your colleagues are interested in being a Clerezza >>>>>>> >>>>>> committer, >>>>> >>>>>> please don't hesitate to contact us through this list. >>>>>>> You may and are encouraged to forward this email to the mailing lists >>>>>>> >>>>>> you >>>>> >>>>>> are involved in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hasan >>>>>>> On behalf of Clerezza PMC >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
