Hi Reto, so basically we could implement a server side rdf type handling and rendering without using triaxrs? If yes, wouldn't it be a good part of clerezza to introduce? And A.Soroka might also be interested in implementing that?
@A. Soroka, yes... if I am not mistaken... we want to have Clerezza independent of a particular JAX-RS implementation. Cheers Hasan On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:27 AM, Reto Gmür <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > Check out https://github.com/linked-solutions/tlds for a clerezza based > linked data server applying client-side type-based rendering. It would be > possible to have a very similar implementation that implements e.g. > scala-server pages. > > Cheers, > Reto > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 12:34 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Fwd: Interested in becoming a Clerezza committer ? > > > > Hey, Hasan-- > > > > Are you thinking of some particular issues to avoid when bringing > type-based > > rendering back? I.e. were there reasons we can point at that it was > removed > > the first time that we want to avoid in future? > > > > > > ajs6f > > > > Hasan wrote on 11/13/17 10:46 AM: > > > Hi all > > > > > > I think ajs6f (A. Soroka, sorry, don't know your firstname) has a good > > > point here. > > > Is clerezza without the legacy code still attractive for people to > > > contribute? > > > > > > @A. Soroka: IMO, if you could propose a functionality to implement on > top > > > of clerezza in a clean way > > > e.g. the type-based rendering stuff but without adding a whole bunch of > > > other issues, > > > we might want to make that a part of clerezza in a new stack. > > > By being a committer, one could participate in defining the further > > > development of clerezza. > > > > > > I'd be glad to hear the opinions of other clerezza devs. > > > > > > regards > > > hasan > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Hello, Hasan-- > > >> > > >> I didn't make very much progress (really any) on resuscitating the > > >> type-based rendering system because about that time I got heavily > involved > > >> as a committer for Jena. I'm still interested in pursuing that work, > tho'. > > >> > > >> I'm certainly interested in being a committer for Clerezza, but I feel > > >> that I have to ask, what is Clerezza? I don't mean that in a joking > way, I > > >> mean that without the type-based rendering system, I'm not sure > exactly > > >> when I would use Clerezza instead of a more well-developed and older > RDF > > >> framework like Jena or RDF4J. And if I need a measure of independence > > from > > >> specific implementations, I could use Commons RDF to achieve that for > > most > > >> core RDF concepts. > > >> > > >> I got interested in Clerezza because of the type-based-rendering > system, > > >> which seemed to offer the possibility (a little bit like LDPath > templating) > > >> of an elegant stack that could take me from persistence in a > triplestore > > >> all the way through into a browser or phone, without making me work at > > >> spending time gluing together different layers that were never > intended to > > >> handle linked data. > > >> > > >> Can we articulate some clear, simple use cases for Clerezza? > > >> > > >> ajs6f > > >> > > >> > > >> A. Soroka wrote on 11/13/17 9:36 AM: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Begin forwarded message: > > >>>> > > >>>> *From: *Hasan <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > >>>> *Subject: **Re: Interested in becoming a Clerezza committer ?* > > >>>> *Date: *November 12, 2017 at 4:52:11 AM EST > > >>>> *To: *"[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>" < > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> > > >>>> *Reply-To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected] > > > > >>>> > > >>>> Hi Reto, Stian, A. Soroka, and all Clerezza Devs. > > >>>> > > >>>> A year ago I started this thread. > > >>>> I have made some small improvements to the website esp. the > tutorials. > > >>>> I admit It is a slow progress, but better slow than not at all. > > >>>> I'd like to count on you all to make a faster progress. > > >>>> So, if you have some ideas or would like to write or co-write > tutorials, > > >>>> please let us know. > > >>>> > > >>>> Further, I would like to ask for suggestions on how to improve our > > >>>> existing > > >>>> codes. > > >>>> Do you have issues that can be resolved within this project? > > >>>> > > >>>> @A. Soroka: How was the outcome of your efforts to use parts of > Apache > > >>>> Clerezza Legacy codes (typerendering and typehandlerspace) ? > > >>>> > > >>>> @all: Would you like to become a new committer to further develop > > Apache > > >>>> Clerezza? > > >>>> Is there anything you miss that you want to see within Apache > Clerezza? > > >>>> > > >>>> @Reto: What would you suggest to make Apache Clerezza more usable? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Cheers > > >>>> Hasan > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Hasan Hasan <[email protected] > > <mailto: > > >>>> [email protected]>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Hi Stian > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Stian Soiland-Reyes > > <[email protected] > > >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Agree for playing on Clerezzas strengths on JAX-RS and I would say > to > > >>>>>> actually include the SPARQL-as-Graph binding as well. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Also worth seeing if there is possible crossover with the new > incubator > > >>>>>> podling Apache Juneau which is also looking for contributors: > > >>>>>> http://juneau.incubator.apache.org/#about.html > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I think the Clerezza website need a bit of similar tutorials to > get > > >>>>>> started > > >>>>>> so potential contributors understand what it is all about. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Yes, it urgently needs an update. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> http://clerezza.apache.org/getting-started/ links to "RESTful Web > > >>>>>> Service > > >>>>>> Framework (JAX-RS) Tutorial", "RDF Tutorial" and "Tutorial: > Combining > > >>>>>> JAX-RS and RDF" which are all 404 :-( > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Should probably be removed since it is not what Clerezza currently > is > > >>>>> now? > > >>>>> It's a pity to remove a good tutorial, > > >>>>> but what do you think? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Cheers > > >>>>> Hasan > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 10 Nov 2016 4:18 pm, "A. Soroka" <[email protected] <mailto: > > >>>>>> [email protected]>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Hi, Clerezza-folks! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> The most exciting part of Clerezza to me, by far, is the JAX-RS > > >>>>>>> support. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I'd rather work on Commons RDF (or Jena, where I am a committer > > now) > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>> move RDF APIs forward, and there are lots of powerful SPARQL > impls > > out > > >>>>>>> there, each with its own streangths and weaknesses. But the > JAX-RS > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> thing-- > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> that's completely unique to Clerezza, and it's a really cool > idea. > > >>>>>>> It's > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> not > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> always easy to move RDF to and from the Web, and JAX-RS is a > > powerful, > > >>>>>>> stable, enormously-well-supported technology so reusing it is a > great > > >>>>>>> tactical move. I'd be interested in working on Clerezza, but > really > > >>>>>>> only > > >>>>>>> for the JAX-RS part. I'd actually be happy to see the RDF API > move > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> towards > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Commons (focus the efforts for more power!). > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> --- > > >>>>>>> A. Soroka > > >>>>>>> Apache Jena PMC > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:25 AM, Hasan <[email protected] <mailto: > > >>>>>>>> [email protected]>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Dear Clerezza Developers > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Clerezza PMC is currently looking for new committers to help > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> developing > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> improving Apache Clerezza. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Apache Clerezza allows to easily develop semantic web > application > > by > > >>>>>>>> providing the following: > > >>>>>>>> - An API to access RDF Graphs > > >>>>>>>> - SPARQL Support > > >>>>>>>> - Support of JAX-RS > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> If you or your colleagues are interested in being a Clerezza > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> committer, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> please don't hesitate to contact us through this list. > > >>>>>>>> You may and are encouraged to forward this email to the mailing > > lists > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> you > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> are involved in. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Best regards > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Hasan > > >>>>>>>> On behalf of Clerezza PMC > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > > > >
