Hi Reto,
so basically we could implement a server side rdf type handling and rendering
without using triaxrs?
If yes, wouldn't it be a good part of clerezza to introduce?
And A.Soroka might also be interested in implementing that?
@A. Soroka, yes... if I am not mistaken... we want to have Clerezza independent
of a particular JAX-RS implementation.
Cheers
Hasan
On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:27 AM, Reto Gmür <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,
Check out https://github.com/linked-solutions/tlds
<https://github.com/linked-solutions/tlds> for a clerezza based
linked data server applying client-side type-based rendering. It would be
possible to have a very similar
implementation that implements e.g. scala-server pages.
Cheers,
Reto
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>]
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 12:34 PM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Interested in becoming a Clerezza committer ?
>
> Hey, Hasan--
>
> Are you thinking of some particular issues to avoid when bringing
type-based
> rendering back? I.e. were there reasons we can point at that it was
removed
> the first time that we want to avoid in future?
>
>
> ajs6f
>
> Hasan wrote on 11/13/17 10:46 AM:
> > Hi all
> >
> > I think ajs6f (A. Soroka, sorry, don't know your firstname) has a good
> > point here.
> > Is clerezza without the legacy code still attractive for people to
> > contribute?
> >
> > @A. Soroka: IMO, if you could propose a functionality to implement on
top
> > of clerezza in a clean way
> > e.g. the type-based rendering stuff but without adding a whole bunch of
> > other issues,
> > we might want to make that a part of clerezza in a new stack.
> > By being a committer, one could participate in defining the further
> > development of clerezza.
> >
> > I'd be glad to hear the opinions of other clerezza devs.
> >
> > regards
> > hasan
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:51 PM, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello, Hasan--
> >>
> >> I didn't make very much progress (really any) on resuscitating the
> >> type-based rendering system because about that time I got heavily
involved
> >> as a committer for Jena. I'm still interested in pursuing that work,
tho'.
> >>
> >> I'm certainly interested in being a committer for Clerezza, but I feel
> >> that I have to ask, what is Clerezza? I don't mean that in a joking
way, I
> >> mean that without the type-based rendering system, I'm not sure exactly
> >> when I would use Clerezza instead of a more well-developed and older
RDF
> >> framework like Jena or RDF4J. And if I need a measure of independence
> from
> >> specific implementations, I could use Commons RDF to achieve that for
> most
> >> core RDF concepts.
> >>
> >> I got interested in Clerezza because of the type-based-rendering
system,
> >> which seemed to offer the possibility (a little bit like LDPath
templating)
> >> of an elegant stack that could take me from persistence in a
triplestore
> >> all the way through into a browser or phone, without making me work at
> >> spending time gluing together different layers that were never
intended to
> >> handle linked data.
> >>
> >> Can we articulate some clear, simple use cases for Clerezza?
> >>
> >> ajs6f
> >>
> >>
> >> A. Soroka wrote on 11/13/17 9:36 AM:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>>
> >>>> *From: *Hasan <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
> >>>> *Subject: **Re: Interested in becoming a Clerezza committer ?*
> >>>> *Date: *November 12, 2017 at 4:52:11 AM EST
> >>>> *To: *"[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>" <
> >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> >>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
> >>>> *Reply-To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Reto, Stian, A. Soroka, and all Clerezza Devs.
> >>>>
> >>>> A year ago I started this thread.
> >>>> I have made some small improvements to the website esp. the
tutorials.
> >>>> I admit It is a slow progress, but better slow than not at all.
> >>>> I'd like to count on you all to make a faster progress.
> >>>> So, if you have some ideas or would like to write or co-write
tutorials,
> >>>> please let us know.
> >>>>
> >>>> Further, I would like to ask for suggestions on how to improve our
> >>>> existing
> >>>> codes.
> >>>> Do you have issues that can be resolved within this project?
> >>>>
> >>>> @A. Soroka: How was the outcome of your efforts to use parts of
Apache
> >>>> Clerezza Legacy codes (typerendering and typehandlerspace) ?
> >>>>
> >>>> @all: Would you like to become a new committer to further develop
> Apache
> >>>> Clerezza?
> >>>> Is there anything you miss that you want to see within Apache
Clerezza?
> >>>>
> >>>> @Reto: What would you suggest to make Apache Clerezza more usable?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Hasan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Hasan Hasan <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:
> >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Stian
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Stian Soiland-Reyes
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> >>>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Agree for playing on Clerezzas strengths on JAX-RS and I would say
to
> >>>>>> actually include the SPARQL-as-Graph binding as well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also worth seeing if there is possible crossover with the new
incubator
> >>>>>> podling Apache Juneau which is also looking for contributors:
> >>>>>> http://juneau.incubator.apache.org/#about.html
<http://juneau.incubator.apache.org/#about.html>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think the Clerezza website need a bit of similar tutorials to get
> >>>>>> started
> >>>>>> so potential contributors understand what it is all about.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, it urgently needs an update.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> http://clerezza.apache.org/getting-started/
<http://clerezza.apache.org/getting-started/> links to "RESTful Web
> >>>>>> Service
> >>>>>> Framework (JAX-RS) Tutorial", "RDF Tutorial" and "Tutorial:
Combining
> >>>>>> JAX-RS and RDF" which are all 404 :-(
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Should probably be removed since it is not what Clerezza currently
is
> >>>>> now?
> >>>>> It's a pity to remove a good tutorial,
> >>>>> but what do you think?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>> Hasan
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10 Nov 2016 4:18 pm, "A. Soroka" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:
> >>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi, Clerezza-folks!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The most exciting part of Clerezza to me, by far, is the JAX-RS
> >>>>>>> support.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'd rather work on Commons RDF (or Jena, where I am a committer
> now)
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> move RDF APIs forward, and there are lots of powerful SPARQL impls
> out
> >>>>>>> there, each with its own streangths and weaknesses. But the JAX-RS
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> thing--
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> that's completely unique to Clerezza, and it's a really cool idea.
> >>>>>>> It's
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> always easy to move RDF to and from the Web, and JAX-RS is a
> powerful,
> >>>>>>> stable, enormously-well-supported technology so reusing it is a
great
> >>>>>>> tactical move. I'd be interested in working on Clerezza, but
really
> >>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>> for the JAX-RS part. I'd actually be happy to see the RDF API move
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> towards
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Commons (focus the efforts for more power!).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>> A. Soroka
> >>>>>>> Apache Jena PMC
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:25 AM, Hasan <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:
> >>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dear Clerezza Developers
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Clerezza PMC is currently looking for new committers to help
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> developing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> improving Apache Clerezza.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Apache Clerezza allows to easily develop semantic web application
> by
> >>>>>>>> providing the following:
> >>>>>>>> - An API to access RDF Graphs
> >>>>>>>> - SPARQL Support
> >>>>>>>> - Support of JAX-RS
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you or your colleagues are interested in being a Clerezza
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> committer,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> please don't hesitate to contact us through this list.
> >>>>>>>> You may and are encouraged to forward this email to the mailing
> lists
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> are involved in.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best regards
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hasan
> >>>>>>>> On behalf of Clerezza PMC
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >
