Yes, I was also thinking of the mirrorlist; I would not host it on gh, it needs to be pretty HA. :)
imho Lucian -- Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! Nux! www.nux.ro ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Sent: Wednesday, 18 May, 2016 17:32:22 > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com > In case it was unclear, i meant hosting the mirrorlist with gh Pages :-) > > Den onsdag 18. mai 2016 skrev Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com> > følgende: > >> Haha. I thought of that and didn't want to mention it because I thought it >> would be too fragile and not very ASFy. But if we have a >> mirror >> list, it would be a good option as one of the items in the list as a >> backup. >> >> >> On May 18, 2016 8:33 AM, "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> >> wrote: >> >> I guess we could even host it with github pages? >> >> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com >> <javascript:;>> >> wrote: >> >> > I like this approach as well. Seems like a nice solution and builds in >> > redundancy if a specific mirror is down for some reason. >> > On May 18, 2016 4:06 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com >> <javascript:;>> wrote: >> > >> > > Pulling a few threads together - if the ASF would create a >> > > download.cloudstack.org page on ASF infra with the mirrorlist json in >> it >> > > as suggested by Nux, we can maintain just that page and add/remove >> > mirrors >> > > at will. >> > > >> > > >> > > Kind regards, >> > > >> > > Paul Angus >> > > >> > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com <javascript:;> >> > > www.shapeblue.com >> > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK >> > > @shapeblue >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:w...@widodh.nl <javascript:;>] >> > > Sent: 18 May 2016 08:37 >> > > To: Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com <javascript:;>>; >> dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;> >> > > Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com >> > > >> > > >> > > > Op 17 mei 2016 om 10:34 schreef Giles Sirett < >> > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com <javascript:;> >> > > >: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the >> current >> > > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being >> > there >> > > another year ? >> > > > >> > > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at >> > > > initial build/startup and then periodically if people do things like >> > > > build a new zone >> > > > >> > > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody >> > > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues >> as >> > > > and when users make config changes >> > > > >> > > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the Sec >> > > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template >> from >> > > > download.cloud.com >> > > > >> > > > My understanding is that its simple db change to make once an >> > > > environment is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code >> > > > patch to fix the initial install >> > > > >> > > > #notideal >> > > > >> > > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to >> > > > the software working, however my understanding is it involves >> binaries >> > > > which ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so >> > > > that just wont happen >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a >> massive >> > > thanks) - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably >> a >> > > SPOF. But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this >> > > issue. >> > > > >> > > >> > > Fully agree with you. I'am happy to host this, but for the project it >> is >> > a >> > > danger. The domain name should be controlled by the project. >> > > >> > > > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - >> by >> > > > definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories. >> > We >> > > (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always >> opened >> > up >> > > as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain >> > name >> > > (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Thoughts on how to fix this: >> > > > >> > > > 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry >> > > > download.cloudstack.org. Its under their domain, but with the site >> > > > being with a 3rd party it could be allowed >> > > > >> > > >> > > I think that would be the best. A CNAME pointing to >> > cloudstack.apt-get.eu >> > > for now might be enough. >> > > >> > > > 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a >> > > > new location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies >> > > > on ongoing goodwill) >> > > > >> > > > 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on >> > > > install. We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could >> > > > then get the templates copied to a number of 3rd party locations and >> > > > allow people to choose which one they use >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Kind Regards >> > > > Giles >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com <javascript:;> >> > > > www.shapeblue.com >> > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: williamstev...@gmail.com <javascript:;> [mailto: >> williamstev...@gmail.com <javascript:;>] On >> > > Behalf Of Will Stevens >> > > > Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59 >> > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;> >> > > > Cc: Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl <javascript:;>> >> > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com >> > > > >> > > > @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that. We can change >> it >> > > going forward and we can move everything from there over to a new >> domain. >> > > > I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or CCP installs >> > > out there currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so when it >> > > goes down, those installs have to be updated. >> > > > >> > > > Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the impression I am >> > > getting from this thread. Can this be confirmed? >> > > > >> > > > *Will STEVENS* >> > > > Lead Developer >> > > > >> > > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts >> > > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* >> tw >> > > @CloudOps_ >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com >> <javascript:;>> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather >> concerning) >> > > > > level of dependency on the operation of the download.cloud.com - >> > would >> > > > > it not make sense to use a domain that is under the control of >> party >> > > > > whose alignment with CloudStack will not shift. I hesitate to >> > > > > implicate the red tape of Apache Foundation, but perhaps the fabled >> > > > > CloudStack alliance organization would be a good way to handle this >> > > > > long term. >> > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela >> > > > > <raja.pull...@accelerite.com <javascript:;>> wrote: >> > > > > > Paul, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > trust me, it won’t be go away overnight. We are talking to >> Citrix >> > > > > > and >> > > > > requested them to keep it active for another year. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Once we have the content copied over (I will work with Wido and >> > > > > > verify >> > > > > this) to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the documentation (user >> > > > > guides update and create a wiki to show how an existing >> installation >> > > > > can fixed to point to new URLs) we don’t have a dependency on “ >> > > download.cloud.com” – >> > > > > right? sorry, if I am missing something here? Please let me >> know, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > best, >> > > > > > Raja >> > > > > > Senior Manager, Product Development >> > > > > > Accelerite, >> > > > > > 2055, Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA >> > > > > > Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, @accelerite >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com >> <javascript:;>> >> > wrote: >> > > > > >>Thanks Raja, >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >>May I humbly suggest that someone at Accelerite speaks to Citrix >> > > > > >>about >> > > > > how long the content will remain on download.cloud.com? >> > > > > >>Simply losing the content on download.cloud.com overnight will >> > make >> > > > > everyone look bad >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >>Kind regards, >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >>Paul Angus >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >>paul.an...@shapeblue.com <javascript:;> >> > > > > >>www.shapeblue.com >> > > > > >>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >> > > > > >>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com >> <javascript:;>] >> > > > > >>Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44 >> > > > > >>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;> >> > > > > >>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from >> download.cloud.com >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >>Paul, >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >>Yes, you are right, this change impacts both CloudStack and >> > > > > CloudPlatform customers. Not sure, if I understand you correctly, >> > the >> > > > > move away from “download.cloud.com” is permanent. I don’t know >> how >> > > > > long the content on download.cloud.com will be up/available. >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >>Based on Wido’s availability, we can get rest of the content to >> > > > > cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this week ? BTW, the >> content >> > > on >> > > > > download.cloud.com is left as is and will stay as is until Citrix >> > > > > decides on what to do with it. >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >>Best, >> > > > > >>Raja >> > > > > >>Senior Manager, Product Development >> > > > > >>Accelerite, >> > > > > >>2055, Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA >> > > > > >>Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, @accelerite >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >>On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com >> <javascript:;>> >> > wrote: >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >>>Raja, >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>As this effects every copy of CloudStack and CloudPlatform there >> > > > > >>>ever >> > > > > was. Please may I ask how long we have to manage a migration away >> > > > > from download.cloud.com? >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>Kind regards, >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>Paul Angus >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>Regards, >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>Paul Angus >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com <javascript:;> >> > > > > >>>www.shapeblue.com >> > > > > >>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>-----Original Message----- >> > > > > >>>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com >> <javascript:;>] >> > > > > >>>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53 >> > > > > >>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;> >> > > > > >>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from >> download.cloud.com >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>Hi Paul, >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>Thank you for the additional file details and I will request >> wido >> > > > > >>>to >> > > > > copy these as well. >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>BTW, I agree with you there is every copy of CloudStack out >> there >> > > > > >>>and >> > > > > reason why I have requested Wido to download all the old files as >> > well. >> > > > > Looks like we missed few and get these uploaded as well. >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>Please note that Citrix owns the “download.cloud.com” address >> and >> > > > > >>>we >> > > > > have to get all the CloudStack related content from there. Once we >> > > > > confirm on the content move Citrix may choose to remove the content >> > > > > from the location. >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>That said, I will get in touch with Wido again and do a complete >> > > > > >>>copy >> > > > > such that we have everything. >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>Best, >> > > > > >>>Raja >> > > > > >>>Senior Manager, Product Development Accelerite, 2055, Laurelwood >> > > > > >>>Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA >> > > > > >>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, @accelerite >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com >> <javascript:;>> >> > wrote: >> > > > > >>>>Raja, >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>I've just picked up on this. >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the >> > CloudStack >> > > > > database for the small built-in templates. These are in just about >> > > > > every copy of CloudStack out there. >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd >> > > > > >>>>2-f8 >> > > > > >>>>4 >> > > > > >>>>755767aca.vhd.bz2 >> > > > > >>>> >> > http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c >> > > > > >>>>001b >> > > > > >>>>d >> > > > > >>>>8a0faf.qcow2.bz2 >> > > > > >>>> >> > http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz >> > > > > >>>>2 >> > > > > >>>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2 >> > > > > >>>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova >> > > > > >>>> >> > http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the >> > > > > >>>>new >> > > > > location. >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or >> it's >> > > > > contents for some time, without causing a lot of issues for users. >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>Hi, >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>Short Term - all the content has moved to >> cloudstack.apt-get.eu >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>Which sections to be modified? >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>The Install Guide needs to be modified. Sample links/details >> are >> > > > > >>>>mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other >> > > > > >>>>Released versions of Cloudstack documentation: >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation >> > > > > >>>>/en/ >> > > > > >>>>4 .6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>Section - Downloading vhd-util¶ >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>What to do modified ? >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>modify URL from >> > > > > >>>>http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util to >> > > > > >>>>http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>@Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ? >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>Thanks >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>Raja >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>Senior Manager, Product Development >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>Accelerite, >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>2055, Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, @accelerite >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>Kind regards, >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>Paul Angus >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>Regards, >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>Paul Angus >> > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >>>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com <javascript:;> >> > > > > >>>>www.shapeblue.com >> > > > > >>>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>DISCLAIMER >> > > > > >>>========== >> > > > > >>>This e-mail may contain privileged and confidential information >> > > > > >>>which >> > > > > is the property of Accelerite, a Persistent Systems business. 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