Chiradeep, It makes sense not to have this old default very insecure guest template still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some kind of meta-data pointing to the latest version of an acceptable template (symlink) for trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on their way. Would you agree?
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com> wrote: > Pierre, > I meant the auto-download of default templates, not systemvm. > Note that the initial systemvm template has to be hand-downloaded anyway. > If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all that is needed. > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloudops.com> > wrote: > > > I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of the systemvm template, > > has this should be simplify deployment of a cloudstack system. > > although, the download URL should be a configurable value, maybe in a > > property file or thru the API somehow or via a pre-install command. > > > > I really like download.cloudstack.org + mirror. I'm looking at getting > > the > > DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new Jenkins and I got no > > objections on using the cloudstack.org domain for community services so > > I'm > > pretty sure we would be ok to use download.cloudstack.org, where would > we > > setting this up? on the current webserver of our website? could we ? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > PL > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Giles Sirett < > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Erik > > > I agree on the existing users - not the end of the world. We could even > > > release a tiny patch to update the DB records > > > > > > The piece that we need to be really careful with is the "I've just > > > downloaded cloudstack thing for the first time" scenario > > > > > > But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas flowing on that > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > Giles > > > > > > > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com > > > www.shapeblue.com > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK > > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com] > > > Sent: 19 May 2016 09:32 > > > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com > > > > > > As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say that this isn't all that > > > troublesome, this is easily fixed by updating the appropriate db > records. > > > > > > We should ensure that we have some good posts discovered by Google and > > > other search engines, so that when somebody running old installations > hit > > > this issue they find the workaround. > > > There's a lot of time to reach out to users and inform of the fix > > > necessary. > > > > > > -- > > > Erik > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Giles Sirett < > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the > current > > > > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being > > > there > > > > another year ? > > > > > > > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at > > initial > > > > build/startup and then periodically if people do things like build a > > new > > > > zone > > > > > > > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody > > > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues > as > > > and > > > > when users make config changes > > > > > > > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the Sec > > > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template > from > > > > download.cloud.com > > > > > > > > My understanding is that its simple db change to make once an > > > environment > > > > is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code patch to fix > the > > > > initial install > > > > > > > > #notideal > > > > > > > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to > the > > > > software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries > > which > > > > ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so that > > just > > > > wont happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a > massive > > > > thanks) - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and > > arguably a > > > > SPOF. But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have > this > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - > by > > > > definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party > > > > > > > > > > > > We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories. > > We > > > > (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always > > opened > > > up > > > > as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain > > > name > > > > (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts on how to fix this: > > > > > > > > 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry > > > download.cloudstack.org. > > > > Its under their domain, but with the site being with a 3rd party it > > could > > > > be allowed > > > > > > > > 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a > new > > > > location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies on > > > > ongoing goodwill) > > > > > > > > 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on > > install. > > > > We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could then get > the > > > > templates copied to a number of 3rd party locations and allow people > to > > > > choose which one they use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Giles > > > > > > > > > > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com > > > > www.shapeblue.com > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK > > > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Will Stevens > > > > Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59 > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > > Cc: Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl> > > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com > > > > > > > > @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that. We can change > it > > > > going forward and we can move everything from there over to a new > > domain. > > > > I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or CCP installs > > out > > > > there currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so when it > > goes > > > > down, those installs have to be updated. > > > > > > > > Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the impression I am > > getting > > > > from this thread. Can this be confirmed? > > > > > > > > *Will STEVENS* > > > > Lead Developer > > > > > > > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts > > > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* > tw > > > > @CloudOps_ > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather > concerning) > > > > > level of dependency on the operation of the download.cloud.com - > > would > > > > > it not make sense to use a domain that is under the control of > party > > > > > whose alignment with CloudStack will not shift. I hesitate to > > > > > implicate the red tape of Apache Foundation, but perhaps the fabled > > > > > CloudStack alliance organization would be a good way to handle this > > > > > long term. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela > > > > > <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote: > > > > > > Paul, > > > > > > > > > > > > trust me, it won’t be go away overnight. We are talking to > Citrix > > > > > > and > > > > > requested them to keep it active for another year. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once we have the content copied over (I will work with Wido and > > > > > > verify > > > > > this) to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the documentation (user > > > > > guides update and create a wiki to show how an existing > installation > > > > > can fixed to point to new URLs) we don’t have a dependency on “ > > > > download.cloud.com” – > > > > > right? sorry, if I am missing something here? Please let me > know, > > > > > > > > > > > > best, > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > Senior Manager, Product Development > > > > > > Accelerite, > > > > > > 2055, Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA > > > > > > Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, @accelerite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >>Thanks Raja, > > > > > >> > > > > > >>May I humbly suggest that someone at Accelerite speaks to Citrix > > > > > >>about > > > > > how long the content will remain on download.cloud.com? > > > > > >>Simply losing the content on download.cloud.com overnight will > > make > > > > > everyone look bad > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Kind regards, > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Paul Angus > > > > > >> > > > > > >>paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > > > > >>www.shapeblue.com > > > > > >>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue > > > > > >> > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > > > > >>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com] > > > > > >>Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44 > > > > > >>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > > > >>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from > download.cloud.com > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Paul, > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Yes, you are right, this change impacts both CloudStack and > > > > > CloudPlatform customers. Not sure, if I understand you correctly, > > the > > > > > move away from “download.cloud.com” is permanent. I don’t know > how > > > > > long the content on download.cloud.com will be up/available. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Based on Wido’s availability, we can get rest of the content to > > > > > cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this week ? BTW, the > content > > > on > > > > > download.cloud.com is left as is and will stay as is until Citrix > > > > > decides on what to do with it. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Best, > > > > > >>Raja > > > > > >>Senior Manager, Product Development > > > > > >>Accelerite, > > > > > >>2055, Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA > > > > > >>Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, @accelerite > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>>Raja, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>As this effects every copy of CloudStack and CloudPlatform there > > > > > >>>ever > > > > > was. Please may I ask how long we have to manage a migration away > > > > > from download.cloud.com? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>Kind regards, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>Paul Angus > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>Regards, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>Paul Angus > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > > > > >>>www.shapeblue.com > > > > > >>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>-----Original Message----- > > > > > >>>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com] > > > > > >>>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53 > > > > > >>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > > > >>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from > download.cloud.com > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>Hi Paul, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>Thank you for the additional file details and I will request > wido > > > > > >>>to > > > > > copy these as well. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>BTW, I agree with you there is every copy of CloudStack out > there > > > > > >>>and > > > > > reason why I have requested Wido to download all the old files as > > well. > > > > > Looks like we missed few and get these uploaded as well. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>Please note that Citrix owns the “download.cloud.com” address > and > > > > > >>>we > > > > > have to get all the CloudStack related content from there. Once we > > > > > confirm on the content move Citrix may choose to remove the content > > > > > from the location. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>That said, I will get in touch with Wido again and do a complete > > > > > >>>copy > > > > > such that we have everything. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>Best, > > > > > >>>Raja > > > > > >>>Senior Manager, Product Development Accelerite, 2055, Laurelwood > > > > > >>>Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA > > > > > >>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, @accelerite > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >>>>Raja, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>I've just picked up on this. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the > > CloudStack > > > > > database for the small built-in templates. These are in just about > > > > > every copy of CloudStack out there. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd > > > > > >>>>2-f8 > > > > > >>>>4 > > > > > >>>>755767aca.vhd.bz2 > > > > > >>>> > > http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c > > > > > >>>>001b > > > > > >>>>d > > > > > >>>>8a0faf.qcow2.bz2 > > > > > >>>> > > http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz > > > > > >>>>2 > > > > > >>>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2 > > > > > >>>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova > > > > > >>>> > > http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the > > > > > >>>>new > > > > > location. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or > it's > > > > > contents for some time, without causing a lot of issues for users. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>Hi, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>Short Term - all the content has moved to > cloudstack.apt-get.eu > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>Which sections to be modified? > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>The Install Guide needs to be modified. Sample links/details > are > > > > > >>>>mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other > > > > > >>>>Released versions of Cloudstack documentation: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation > > > > > >>>>/en/ > > > > > >>>>4 .6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>Section - Downloading vhd-util¶ > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>What to do modified ? > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>modify URL from > > > > > >>>>http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util to > > > > > >>>>http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>@Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ? > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>Thanks > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>Raja > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>Senior Manager, Product Development > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>Accelerite, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>2055, Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, @accelerite > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>Kind regards, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>Paul Angus > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>Regards, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>Paul Angus > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > > > > >>>>www.shapeblue.com > > > > > >>>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>DISCLAIMER > > > > > >>>========== > > > > > >>>This e-mail may contain privileged and confidential information > > > > > >>>which > > > > > is the property of Accelerite, a Persistent Systems business. 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