I hope this gets discussed during the CloudStack Collab over the next few days. Again, I'd urge everybody to consider: "what if download.cloud.com went away next week". Waiting till some hypothetical last date only means that we will scramble a week before that last date.
On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, the mirror site would be on github or apache.org > > Step 6 in the install guide would have instructions like: > a. Install System VM Templates: > <here, cloud-install-sys-tmplt has been modified to use the mirror list> > b. Installing other templates > cloud-install-tmplt > > enter OS (linux only) > > Ubuntu 16.04 > ....Installing... > > Or, step (b) could generate a cloudmonkey script. > > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com> > wrote: > >> Cant we just host the mirror list in apache.org and then actually host >> the >> mirrors in different places around the world? A company could sponsor the >> few bucks a month for AWS and have one of the mirrors be in AWS and the >> mirror list in apache.org would just be updated to add the AWS mirror. >> >> Isn't that basically what we are proposing here? The ability to have >> different mirrors with the 'official' endpoint being in an apache.org >> endpoint to list the mirrors? >> >> *Will STEVENS* >> Lead Developer >> >> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts >> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 >> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_ >> >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > is there no way, within foundation bylaws, to host this somewhere on >> > apache.org? we are using peoples wibesites for tests as well, aren't >> we. >> > >> > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Rafael Weingärtner < >> > rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > We could host a mirror here. We are in South America, Brazil. >> > > >> > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Chiradeep Vittal < >> chirade...@gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > I was proposing a new S3 bucket earlier (templates.cloudstack.org), >> > but >> > > I >> > > > realized that someone needs to own the account. There is no legal >> > entity >> > > > for Apache CloudStack (except the ASF) that can enter into a >> contract >> > > with >> > > > AWS (even if it is for a few bucks a month). To make this work, >> > > > alternatives: >> > > > (1) ASF Infra creates this bucket and IAM keys to the PMC to >> operate >> > > this >> > > > bucket. ACS users might want to make targeted donations to support >> this >> > > > bucket, but I don't believe that it is possible. >> > > > >> > > > (2) Cloudstack.org gets registered as a (non-profit?) entity etc and >> > ACS >> > > > users make donations to this entity. PMC has control over the >> bucket. >> > > > >> > > > A mirror list and a python script (e.g., [1]) sounds like a much >> better >> > > > idea :) >> > > > >> > > > Raise of hands: >> > > > Who is willing to host a mirror of systemvm templates and default >> > > > templates. I figure we need at least 5, preferably all over the >> world, >> > > > especially in East Asia. >> > > > >> > > > [1] >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://code.activestate.com/recipes/284631-a-python-script-to-test-download-mirrors/ >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Chiradeep Vittal < >> > chirade...@gmail.com> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Agree with Daan : we shouldn't be pushing these ancient insecure >> > > > > templates! >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Chiradeep Vittal < >> > > chirade...@gmail.com> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > >> :) According to Raja, there is some time before >> download.cloud.com >> > is >> > > > >> doomed. Let's pretend that date is Jan 1 2017. Now pretend that >> it >> > is >> > > > Dec >> > > > >> 25, 2016 and we're still debating mirror list vs steps and what >> not. >> > > > Now, >> > > > >> just change the 2017 to 2016 and re-consider. We need this done >> > > > yesterday! >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Daan Hoogland < >> > > daan.hoogl...@gmail.com >> > > > > >> > > > >> wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > >>> send by tablet, no warranties in existence >> > > > >>> On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> >> > wrote: >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process. >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform >> > > > >>> adoption. >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good >> > > > >>> milestone >> > > > >>> in a CloudStack build. >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the >> > template >> > > > >>> itself if required rather than making it a user installation >> step. >> > > > >>> great idea, looking forward to your PR. >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > Kind regards, >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > Paul Angus >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com >> > > > >>> > www.shapeblue.com >> > > > >>> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK >> > > > >>> > @shapeblue >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > -----Original Message----- >> > > > >>> > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] >> > > > >>> > Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06 >> > > > >>> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> >> > > > >>> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from >> > download.cloud.com >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is >> > over. >> > > > acs >> > > > >>> is a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not >> put >> > > it >> > > > >>> in a >> > > > >>> different section. would be duplicate code anyhow. >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal < >> > > > >>> chirade...@gmail.com> >> > > > >>> > wrote: >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Well, you have to define "worry" :) >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > I'm proposing an almost identical step to >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> >> > > >> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/ >> > > > >>> > > 4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they >> > can >> > > > >>> > > download the default template in a similar manner. The >> > > > >>> > > "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do >> the >> > > > mirror >> > > > >>> > > checking etc. >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Will Stevens < >> > > > wstev...@cloudops.com >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > wrote: >> > > > >>> > > >> > > > >>> > > > I definitely agree with this. I don't think people doing >> a >> > PoC >> > > > >>> > > > should >> > > > >>> > > have >> > > > >>> > > > to worry about getting a template installed on first >> setup. >> > I >> > > > >>> think >> > > > >>> > > > that is a basic feature if we want platform adoption. >> > Getting >> > > > the >> > > > >>> > > > first boot process from download to first VM launched >> should >> > be >> > > > as >> > > > >>> > > > smooth as >> > > > >>> > > possible. >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > *Will STEVENS* >> > > > >>> > > > Lead Developer >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts >> > > > >>> > > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w >> > cloudops.com >> > > > *|* >> > > > >>> > > > tw @CloudOps_ >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Daan Hoogland >> > > > >>> > > > <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> >> > > > >>> > > > wrote: >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > Chiradeep, >> > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > It makes sense not to have this old default very >> insecure >> > > guest >> > > > >>> > > template >> > > > >>> > > > > still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some >> kind >> > of >> > > > >>> > > > > meta-data pointing to the latest version of an >> acceptable >> > > > >>> template >> > > > >>> > > > > (symlink) for trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on >> > their >> > > > way. >> > > > >>> Would you agree? >> > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal < >> > > > >>> > > chirade...@gmail.com> >> > > > >>> > > > > wrote: >> > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > Pierre, >> > > > >>> > > > > > I meant the auto-download of default templates, not >> > > systemvm. >> > > > >>> > > > > > Note that the initial systemvm template has to be >> > > > >>> > > > > > hand-downloaded >> > > > >>> > > > anyway. >> > > > >>> > > > > > If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all >> > that >> > > > is >> > > > >>> > > needed. >> > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion < >> > > > >>> > > pd...@cloudops.com> >> > > > >>> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of >> the >> > > > >>> systemvm >> > > > >>> > > > > template, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > has this should be simplify deployment of a >> cloudstack >> > > > >>> system. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > although, the download URL should be a configurable >> > > value, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > maybe >> > > > >>> > > in a >> > > > >>> > > > > > > property file or thru the API somehow or via a >> > > pre-install >> > > > >>> command. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > I really like download.cloudstack.org + mirror. >> I'm >> > > > looking >> > > > >>> > > > > > > at >> > > > >>> > > > > getting >> > > > >>> > > > > > > the >> > > > >>> > > > > > > DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new >> Jenkins >> > > and I >> > > > >>> got >> > > > >>> > > > > > > no objections on using the cloudstack.org domain >> for >> > > > >>> community >> > > > >>> > > services >> > > > >>> > > > > so >> > > > >>> > > > > > > I'm >> > > > >>> > > > > > > pretty sure we would be ok to use >> > > download.cloudstack.org, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > where >> > > > >>> > > > would >> > > > >>> > > > > > we >> > > > >>> > > > > > > setting this up? on the current webserver of our >> > website? >> > > > >>> > > > > > > could we >> > > > >>> > > ? >> > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > Cheers, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > PL >> > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Giles Sirett < >> > > > >>> > > > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Erik >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > I agree on the existing users - not the end of the >> > > world. >> > > > >>> We >> > > > >>> > > could >> > > > >>> > > > > even >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > release a tiny patch to update the DB records >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > The piece that we need to be really careful with >> is >> > the >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > "I've >> > > > >>> > > just >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > downloaded cloudstack thing for the first time" >> > > scenario >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas >> flowing >> > on >> > > > >>> that >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Kind Regards >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Giles >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > www.shapeblue.com >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N >> 4HSUK >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > @shapeblue >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com] >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Sent: 19 May 2016 09:32 >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from >> > > > >>> > > download.cloud.com >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say >> that >> > > this >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > isn't >> > > > >>> > > all >> > > > >>> > > > > that >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > troublesome, this is easily fixed by updating the >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > appropriate db >> > > > >>> > > > > > records. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > We should ensure that we have some good posts >> > > discovered >> > > > by >> > > > >>> > > Google >> > > > >>> > > > > and >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > other search engines, so that when somebody >> running >> > old >> > > > >>> > > > installations >> > > > >>> > > > > > hit >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > this issue they find the workaround. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > There's a lot of time to reach out to users and >> > inform >> > > of >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > the fix necessary. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > -- >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > Erik >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Giles Sirett < >> > > > >>> > > > > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured >> out >> > > > >>> before >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > >>> > > > > > current >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix >> > > > committed >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > to it >> > > > >>> > > > > being >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > there >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > another year ? >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on >> > this >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > download >> > > > >>> > > at >> > > > >>> > > > > > > initial >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > build/startup and then periodically if people do >> > > things >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > like >> > > > >>> > > > build >> > > > >>> > > > > a >> > > > >>> > > > > > > new >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > zone >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if >> its >> > > > >>> pulled, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > but >> > > > >>> > > > > nobody >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and >> it >> > > may >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > cause >> > > > >>> > > > issues >> > > > >>> > > > > > as >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > and >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > when users make config changes >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : >> > you >> > > > >>> start >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > >>> > > > Sec >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the >> > built >> > > > in >> > > > >>> > > template >> > > > >>> > > > > > from >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > download.cloud.com >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > My understanding is that its simple db change >> to >> > > make >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > once an >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > environment >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a >> > code >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > patch to >> > > > >>> > > > fix >> > > > >>> > > > > > the >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > initial install >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > #notideal >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the >> > project >> > > > as >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > its >> > > > >>> > > key >> > > > >>> > > > to >> > > > >>> > > > > > the >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > software working, however my understanding is it >> > > > involves >> > > > >>> > > > binaries >> > > > >>> > > > > > > which >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party >> > > > binaries) >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > - so >> > > > >>> > > > that >> > > > >>> > > > > > > just >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > wont happen >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which >> we >> > all >> > > > owe >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > him a >> > > > >>> > > > > > massive >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > thanks) - but you are right, it is a 3rd party >> > > > >>> dependency >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > and >> > > > >>> > > > > > > arguably a >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > SPOF. But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're >> always >> > > > going >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > to >> > > > >>> > > have >> > > > >>> > > > > > this >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > issue. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere >> > else - >> > > > but >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > where >> > > > >>> > > > ? - >> > > > >>> > > > > > by >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > definition its got to be something maintained >> by a >> > > 3rd >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > party >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > We had this debate some time ago when talking >> about >> > > the >> > > > >>> > > > > repositories. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > We >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, >> > which >> > > > >>> wev'e >> > > > >>> > > always >> > > > >>> > > > > > > opened >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > up >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > as public. However, there were concerns about >> > having >> > > a >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > company >> > > > >>> > > > > domain >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > name >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > (which I understand) - so apt-get became our >> > > preferred >> > > > >>> repo. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Thoughts on how to fix this: >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host >> entry >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > download.cloudstack.org. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Its under their domain, but with the site being >> > with >> > > a >> > > > >>> 3rd >> > > > >>> > > party >> > > > >>> > > > it >> > > > >>> > > > > > > could >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > be allowed >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the >> > current >> > > > DNS >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > entry >> > > > >>> > > > to a >> > > > >>> > > > > > new >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > location (would be simplest but may be legally >> > > complex >> > > > >>> and >> > > > >>> > > relies >> > > > >>> > > > > on >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > ongoing goodwill) >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the >> download >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > location on >> > > > >>> > > > > > > install. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the >> SPOF, >> > we >> > > > >>> could >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > then >> > > > >>> > > > get >> > > > >>> > > > > > the >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > templates copied to a number of 3rd party >> locations >> > > and >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > allow >> > > > >>> > > > > people >> > > > >>> > > > > > to >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > choose which one they use >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Kind Regards >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Giles >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N >> 4HSUK >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > @shapeblue >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto: >> > > > >>> > > williamstev...@gmail.com] >> > > > >>> > > > > On >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Will Stevens >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59 >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Cc: Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from >> > > > >>> > > > download.cloud.com >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than >> > that. >> > > > We >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > can >> > > > >>> > > > > change >> > > > >>> > > > > > it >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > going forward and we can move everything from >> there >> > > > over >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > to a >> > > > >>> > > new >> > > > >>> > > > > > > domain. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > I believe the problem is with all of the >> existing >> > ACS >> > > > or >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > CCP >> > > > >>> > > > > installs >> > > > >>> > > > > > > out >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > there currently pointing at the >> download.cloud.com >> > > > URL, >> > > > >>> so >> > > > >>> > > when >> > > > >>> > > > it >> > > > >>> > > > > > > goes >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > down, those installs have to be updated. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is >> the >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > impression I >> > > > >>> > > am >> > > > >>> > > > > > > getting >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > from this thread. Can this be confirmed? >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > *Will STEVENS* >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Lead Developer >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 >> w >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > cloudops.com >> > > > >>> > > > *|* >> > > > >>> > > > > > tw >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > @CloudOps_ >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > <i...@cloudops.com> >> > > > >>> > > > > wrote: >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given >> the >> > > > >>> (rather >> > > > >>> > > > > > concerning) >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > level of dependency on the operation of the >> > > > >>> > > download.cloud.com >> > > > >>> > > > - >> > > > >>> > > > > > > would >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > it not make sense to use a domain that is >> under >> > the >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > control >> > > > >>> > > of >> > > > >>> > > > > > party >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > whose alignment with CloudStack will not >> shift. I >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > hesitate to implicate the red tape of Apache >> > > > >>> Foundation, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > but perhaps the >> > > > >>> > > > > fabled >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > CloudStack alliance organization would be a >> good >> > > way >> > > > to >> > > > >>> > > handle >> > > > >>> > > > > this >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > long term. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote: >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Paul, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > trust me, it won’t be go away overnight. We >> > are >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > talking to >> > > > >>> > > > > > Citrix >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > and >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > requested them to keep it active for another >> > year. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Once we have the content copied over (I will >> > work >> > > > >>> with >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Wido >> > > > >>> > > > and >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > verify >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > this) to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > documentation >> > > > >>> > > > > (user >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > guides update and create a wiki to show how an >> > > > existing >> > > > >>> > > > > > installation >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > can fixed to point to new URLs) we don’t have >> a >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > dependency >> > > > >>> > > on “ >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > download.cloud.com” – >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > right? sorry, if I am missing something here? >> > > > Please >> > > > >>> let >> > > > >>> > > me >> > > > >>> > > > > > know, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > best, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Raja >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Senior Manager, Product Development >> Accelerite, >> > > > 2055, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > @accelerite >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" < >> > > > >>> > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Thanks Raja, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>May I humbly suggest that someone at >> Accelerite >> > > > >>> speaks >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>to >> > > > >>> > > > > Citrix >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>about >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > how long the content will remain on >> > > > download.cloud.com >> > > > >>> ? >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Simply losing the content on >> > download.cloud.com >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>overnight >> > > > >>> > > > will >> > > > >>> > > > > > > make >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > everyone look bad >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Kind regards, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Paul Angus >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>paul.an...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London >> WC2N >> > > 4HSUK >> > > > >>> > > > @shapeblue >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>From: Raja Pullela >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>[mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com] >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44 >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content >> from >> > > > >>> > > > > > download.cloud.com >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Paul, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Yes, you are right, this change impacts both >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>CloudStack and >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > CloudPlatform customers. Not sure, if I >> > understand >> > > > you >> > > > >>> > > > > correctly, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > the >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > move away from “download.cloud.com” is >> > > permanent. I >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > don’t >> > > > >>> > > > know >> > > > >>> > > > > > how >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > long the content on download.cloud.com will >> be >> > > > >>> up/available. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Based on Wido’s availability, we can get >> rest >> > of >> > > > the >> > > > >>> > > content >> > > > >>> > > > to >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this >> week ? >> > > > >>> BTW, >> > > > >>> the >> > > > >>> > > > > > content >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > on >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > download.cloud.com is left as is and will >> stay >> > as >> > > is >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > until >> > > > >>> > > > > Citrix >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > decides on what to do with it. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Best, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Raja >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Senior Manager, Product Development >> Accelerite, >> > > > 2055, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>@accelerite >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" < >> > > > >>> > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Raja, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>As this effects every copy of CloudStack >> and >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>CloudPlatform >> > > > >>> > > > > there >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>ever >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > was. Please may I ask how long we have to >> > manage a >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > migration >> > > > >>> > > > > away >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > from download.cloud.com? >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Kind regards, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Paul Angus >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Regards, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Paul Angus >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London >> WC2N >> > > > 4HSUK >> > > > >>> > > > @shapeblue >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>-----Original Message----- >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>From: Raja Pullela >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>[mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com] >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53 >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content >> from >> > > > >>> > > > > > download.cloud.com >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Hi Paul, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Thank you for the additional file details >> and >> > I >> > > > will >> > > > >>> > > request >> > > > >>> > > > > > wido >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>to >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > copy these as well. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>BTW, I agree with you there is every copy >> of >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>CloudStack >> > > > >>> > > out >> > > > >>> > > > > > there >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>and >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > reason why I have requested Wido to download >> all >> > > the >> > > > >>> old >> > > > >>> > > files >> > > > >>> > > > as >> > > > >>> > > > > > > well. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > Looks like we missed few and get these >> uploaded >> > as >> > > > >>> well. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Please note that Citrix owns the “ >> > > > >>> download.cloud.com” >> > > > >>> > > > address >> > > > >>> > > > > > and >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>we >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > have to get all the CloudStack related content >> > from >> > > > >>> there. >> > > > >>> > > > Once >> > > > >>> > > > > we >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > confirm on the content move Citrix may choose >> to >> > > > remove >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > the >> > > > >>> > > > > content >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > from the location. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>That said, I will get in touch with Wido >> again >> > > and >> > > > >>> do >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>a >> > > > >>> > > > > complete >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>copy >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > such that we have everything. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Best, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Raja >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Senior Manager, Product Development >> > Accelerite, >> > > > >>> 2055, >> > > > >>> > > > > Laurelwood >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com >> , >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>@accelerite >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus" < >> > > > >>> > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com >> > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > >>> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Raja, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>I've just picked up on this. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>There are a number of URLs which are >> > hardcoded >> > > > into >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>the >> > > > >>> > > > > > > CloudStack >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > database for the small built-in templates. >> These >> > > are >> > > > >>> in >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > just >> > > > >>> > > > > about >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > every copy of CloudStack out there. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97 >> > > > >>> > > > > > > -afd >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>2-f8 >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>4 >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>755767aca.vhd.bz2 >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92 >> > > > >>> > > > > > > be-c >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>001b >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>d >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>8a0faf.qcow2.bz2 >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vh >> > > > >>> > > > > > > d.bz >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>2 >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > >> > > http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2 >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > >> > > http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.ta >> > > > >>> > > > > > > r.gz >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>These will need copying and the CloudStack >> > code >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>updating >> > > > >>> > > to >> > > > >>> > > > > the >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>new >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > location. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>I don't think that you can deprecate >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>download.cloud.com >> > > > >>> > > or >> > > > >>> > > > > > it's >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > contents for some time, without causing a lot >> of >> > > > issues >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > for >> > > > >>> > > > > users. >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Hi, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Short Term - all the content has moved to >> > > > >>> > > > > > cloudstack.apt-get.eu >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Which sections to be modified? >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>The Install Guide needs to be modified. >> > Sample >> > > > >>> > > > links/details >> > > > >>> > > > > > are >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to >> be >> > > > >>> updated >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>for >> > > > >>> > > > > other >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Released versions of Cloudstack >> > documentation: >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installa >> > > > >>> > > > > > > tion >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>/en/ >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>4 >> .6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Section - Downloading vhd-util¶ >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>What to do modified ? >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>modify URL from >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util >> > > > >>> > > > to >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>@Rajsekhar can you please update the >> > sections ? >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Thanks >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Raja >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Senior Manager, Product Development >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Accelerite, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>2055, Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA >> > 95054, >> > > > USA >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010, >> www.accelerite.com, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>@accelerite >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Kind regards, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Paul Angus >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Regards, >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Paul Angus >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com >> www.shapeblue.com >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London >> WC2N >> > > > 4HSUK >> > > > >>> > > > > @shapeblue >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>DISCLAIMER >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>========== >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>This e-mail may contain privileged and >> > > > confidential >> > > > >>> > > > > information >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>which >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > is the property of Accelerite, a Persistent >> > Systems >> > > > >>> business. >> > > > >>> > > > It >> > > > >>> > > > > is >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > intended only for the use of the individual or >> > > entity >> > > > >>> to >> > > > >>> > > which >> > > > >>> > > > it >> > > > >>> > > > > > is >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > addressed. If you are not the intended >> recipient, >> > > you >> > > > >>> are >> > > > >>> not >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > authorized to read, retain, copy, print, >> > distribute >> > > > or >> > > > >>> use >> > > > >>> > > this >> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > message. 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