send by tablet, no warranties in existence On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote: > > I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process. > > I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform adoption. > > The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good milestone in a CloudStack build. > > To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the template itself if required rather than making it a user installation step. great idea, looking forward to your PR.
> > Kind regards, > > Paul Angus > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > www.shapeblue.com > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK > @shapeblue > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] > Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06 > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com > > sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is over. acs is a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not put it in a different section. would be duplicate code anyhow. > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Well, you have to define "worry" :) > > > > I'm proposing an almost identical step to > > > > http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/ > > 4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template > > > > If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they can > > download the default template in a similar manner. The > > "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do the mirror > > checking etc. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I definitely agree with this. I don't think people doing a PoC > > > should > > have > > > to worry about getting a template installed on first setup. I think > > > that is a basic feature if we want platform adoption. Getting the > > > first boot process from download to first VM launched should be as > > > smooth as > > possible. > > > > > > *Will STEVENS* > > > Lead Developer > > > > > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts > > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* > > > tw @CloudOps_ > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Daan Hoogland > > > <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Chiradeep, > > > > > > > > It makes sense not to have this old default very insecure guest > > template > > > > still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some kind of > > > > meta-data pointing to the latest version of an acceptable template > > > > (symlink) for trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on their way. Would you agree? > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal < > > chirade...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pierre, > > > > > I meant the auto-download of default templates, not systemvm. > > > > > Note that the initial systemvm template has to be > > > > > hand-downloaded > > > anyway. > > > > > If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all that is > > needed. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion < > > pd...@cloudops.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of the systemvm > > > > template, > > > > > > has this should be simplify deployment of a cloudstack system. > > > > > > although, the download URL should be a configurable value, > > > > > > maybe > > in a > > > > > > property file or thru the API somehow or via a pre-install command. > > > > > > > > > > > > I really like download.cloudstack.org + mirror. I'm looking > > > > > > at > > > > getting > > > > > > the > > > > > > DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new Jenkins and I got > > > > > > no objections on using the cloudstack.org domain for community > > services > > > > so > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > pretty sure we would be ok to use download.cloudstack.org, > > > > > > where > > > would > > > > > we > > > > > > setting this up? on the current webserver of our website? > > > > > > could we > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > PL > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Giles Sirett < > > > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Erik > > > > > > > I agree on the existing users - not the end of the world. We > > could > > > > even > > > > > > > release a tiny patch to update the DB records > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The piece that we need to be really careful with is the > > > > > > > "I've > > just > > > > > > > downloaded cloudstack thing for the first time" scenario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas flowing on that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > > > > > Giles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com > > > > > > > www.shapeblue.com > > > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK > > > > > > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com] > > > > > > > Sent: 19 May 2016 09:32 > > > > > > > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from > > download.cloud.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say that this > > > > > > > isn't > > all > > > > that > > > > > > > troublesome, this is easily fixed by updating the > > > > > > > appropriate db > > > > > records. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should ensure that we have some good posts discovered by > > Google > > > > and > > > > > > > other search engines, so that when somebody running old > > > installations > > > > > hit > > > > > > > this issue they find the workaround. > > > > > > > There's a lot of time to reach out to users and inform of > > > > > > > the fix necessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Erik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Giles Sirett < > > > > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before > > > > > > > > the > > > > > current > > > > > > > > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed > > > > > > > > to it > > > > being > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > another year ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this > > > > > > > > download > > at > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > build/startup and then periodically if people do things > > > > > > > > like > > > build > > > > a > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > zone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, > > > > > > > > but > > > > nobody > > > > > > > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may > > > > > > > > cause > > > issues > > > > > as > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > when users make config changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start > > > > > > > > the > > > Sec > > > > > > > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in > > template > > > > > from > > > > > > > > download.cloud.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My understanding is that its simple db change to make > > > > > > > > once an > > > > > > > environment > > > > > > > > is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code > > > > > > > > patch to > > > fix > > > > > the > > > > > > > > initial install > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #notideal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as > > > > > > > > its > > key > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > software working, however my understanding is it involves > > > binaries > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) > > > > > > > > - so > > > that > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > wont happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > massive > > > > > > > > thanks) - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > arguably a > > > > > > > > SPOF. But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going > > > > > > > > to > > have > > > > > this > > > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but > > > > > > > > where > > > ? - > > > > > by > > > > > > > > definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd > > > > > > > > party > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We had this debate some time ago when talking about the > > > > repositories. > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e > > always > > > > > > opened > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > as public. However, there were concerns about having a > > > > > > > > company > > > > domain > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts on how to fix this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry > > > > > > > download.cloudstack.org. > > > > > > > > Its under their domain, but with the site being with a 3rd > > party > > > it > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > be allowed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS > > > > > > > > entry > > > to a > > > > > new > > > > > > > > location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and > > relies > > > > on > > > > > > > > ongoing goodwill) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download > > > > > > > > location on > > > > > > install. > > > > > > > > We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could > > > > > > > > then > > > get > > > > > the > > > > > > > > templates copied to a number of 3rd party locations and > > > > > > > > allow > > > > people > > > > > to > > > > > > > > choose which one they use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > > > > > > Giles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com > > > > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK > > > > > > > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto: > > williamstev...@gmail.com] > > > > On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Will Stevens > > > > > > > > Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59 > > > > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > > > > > > Cc: Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from > > > download.cloud.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that. We > > > > > > > > can > > > > change > > > > > it > > > > > > > > going forward and we can move everything from there over > > > > > > > > to a > > new > > > > > > domain. > > > > > > > > I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or > > > > > > > > CCP > > > > installs > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > there currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so > > when > > > it > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > down, those installs have to be updated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the > > > > > > > > impression I > > am > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > from this thread. Can this be confirmed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Will STEVENS* > > > > > > > > Lead Developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts > > > > > > > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w > > > > > > > > cloudops.com > > > *|* > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > @CloudOps_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae > > > > > > > > <i...@cloudops.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather > > > > > concerning) > > > > > > > > > level of dependency on the operation of the > > download.cloud.com > > > - > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > it not make sense to use a domain that is under the > > > > > > > > > control > > of > > > > > party > > > > > > > > > whose alignment with CloudStack will not shift. I > > > > > > > > > hesitate to implicate the red tape of Apache Foundation, > > > > > > > > > but perhaps the > > > > fabled > > > > > > > > > CloudStack alliance organization would be a good way to > > handle > > > > this > > > > > > > > > long term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela > > > > > > > > > <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Paul, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trust me, it won’t be go away overnight. We are > > > > > > > > > > talking to > > > > > Citrix > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > requested them to keep it active for another year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once we have the content copied over (I will work with > > > > > > > > > > Wido > > > and > > > > > > > > > > verify > > > > > > > > > this) to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the > > > > > > > > > documentation > > > > (user > > > > > > > > > guides update and create a wiki to show how an existing > > > > > installation > > > > > > > > > can fixed to point to new URLs) we don’t have a > > > > > > > > > dependency > > on “ > > > > > > > > download.cloud.com” – > > > > > > > > > right? sorry, if I am missing something here? Please let > > me > > > > > know, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best, > > > > > > > > > > Raja > > > > > > > > > > Senior Manager, Product Development Accelerite, 2055, > > > > > > > > > > Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA > > > > > > > > > > Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, > > > > > > > > > > @accelerite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" < > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>Thanks Raja, > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>May I humbly suggest that someone at Accelerite speaks > > > > > > > > > >>to > > > > Citrix > > > > > > > > > >>about > > > > > > > > > how long the content will remain on download.cloud.com? > > > > > > > > > >>Simply losing the content on download.cloud.com > > > > > > > > > >>overnight > > > will > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > everyone look bad > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>Kind regards, > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>Paul Angus > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>paul.an...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com > > > > > > > > > >>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK > > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > >>From: Raja Pullela > > > > > > > > > >>[mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com] > > > > > > > > > >>Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44 > > > > > > > > > >>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > > > > > > > >>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from > > > > > download.cloud.com > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>Paul, > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>Yes, you are right, this change impacts both > > > > > > > > > >>CloudStack and > > > > > > > > > CloudPlatform customers. Not sure, if I understand you > > > > correctly, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > move away from “download.cloud.com” is permanent. I > > > > > > > > > don’t > > > know > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > long the content on download.cloud.com will be up/available. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>Based on Wido’s availability, we can get rest of the > > content > > > to > > > > > > > > > cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this week ? BTW, the > > > > > content > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > download.cloud.com is left as is and will stay as is > > > > > > > > > until > > > > Citrix > > > > > > > > > decides on what to do with it. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>Best, > > > > > > > > > >>Raja > > > > > > > > > >>Senior Manager, Product Development Accelerite, 2055, > > > > > > > > > >>Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA > > > > > > > > > >>Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, > > > > > > > > > >>@accelerite > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" < > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>>Raja, > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>As this effects every copy of CloudStack and > > > > > > > > > >>>CloudPlatform > > > > there > > > > > > > > > >>>ever > > > > > > > > > was. Please may I ask how long we have to manage a > > > > > > > > > migration > > > > away > > > > > > > > > from download.cloud.com? > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Kind regards, > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Paul Angus > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Regards, > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Paul Angus > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com > > > > > > > > > >>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK > > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>-----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > >>>From: Raja Pullela > > > > > > > > > >>>[mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com] > > > > > > > > > >>>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53 > > > > > > > > > >>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > > > > > > > >>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from > > > > > download.cloud.com > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Hi Paul, > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Thank you for the additional file details and I will > > request > > > > > wido > > > > > > > > > >>>to > > > > > > > > > copy these as well. > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>BTW, I agree with you there is every copy of > > > > > > > > > >>>CloudStack > > out > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > >>>and > > > > > > > > > reason why I have requested Wido to download all the old > > files > > > as > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > Looks like we missed few and get these uploaded as well. > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Please note that Citrix owns the “download.cloud.com” > > > address > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > >>>we > > > > > > > > > have to get all the CloudStack related content from there. > > > Once > > > > we > > > > > > > > > confirm on the content move Citrix may choose to remove > > > > > > > > > the > > > > content > > > > > > > > > from the location. > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>That said, I will get in touch with Wido again and do > > > > > > > > > >>>a > > > > complete > > > > > > > > > >>>copy > > > > > > > > > such that we have everything. > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>Best, > > > > > > > > > >>>Raja > > > > > > > > > >>>Senior Manager, Product Development Accelerite, 2055, > > > > Laurelwood > > > > > > > > > >>>Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA > > > > > > > > > >>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, > > > > > > > > > >>>@accelerite > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus" < > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>Raja, > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>I've just picked up on this. > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into > > > > > > > > > >>>>the > > > > > > CloudStack > > > > > > > > > database for the small built-in templates. These are in > > > > > > > > > just > > > > about > > > > > > > > > every copy of CloudStack out there. > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97 > > > > > > -afd > > > > > > > > > >>>>2-f8 > > > > > > > > > >>>>4 > > > > > > > > > >>>>755767aca.vhd.bz2 > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92 > > > > > > be-c > > > > > > > > > >>>>001b > > > > > > > > > >>>>d > > > > > > > > > >>>>8a0faf.qcow2.bz2 > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vh > > > > > > d.bz > > > > > > > > > >>>>2 > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2 > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.ta > > > > > > r.gz > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>These will need copying and the CloudStack code > > > > > > > > > >>>>updating > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >>>>new > > > > > > > > > location. > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>I don't think that you can deprecate > > > > > > > > > >>>>download.cloud.com > > or > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > contents for some time, without causing a lot of issues > > > > > > > > > for > > > > users. > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Hi, > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Short Term - all the content has moved to > > > > > cloudstack.apt-get.eu > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Which sections to be modified? > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>The Install Guide needs to be modified. Sample > > > links/details > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > >>>>mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated > > > > > > > > > >>>>for > > > > other > > > > > > > > > >>>>Released versions of Cloudstack documentation: > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installa > > > > > > tion > > > > > > > > > >>>>/en/ > > > > > > > > > >>>>4 .6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Section - Downloading vhd-util¶ > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>What to do modified ? > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>modify URL from > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util > > > to > > > > > > > > > >>>>http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>@Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ? > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Thanks > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Raja > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Senior Manager, Product Development > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Accelerite, > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>2055, Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, > > > > > > > > > >>>>@accelerite > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Kind regards, > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Paul Angus > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Regards, > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>Paul Angus > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com www.shapeblue.com > > > > > > > > > >>>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK > > > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>DISCLAIMER > > > > > > > > > >>>========== > > > > > > > > > >>>This e-mail may contain privileged and confidential > > > > information > > > > > > > > > >>>which > > > > > > > > > is the property of Accelerite, a Persistent Systems business. > > > It > > > > is > > > > > > > > > intended only for the use of the individual or entity to > > which > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > addressed. 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