Ralph Goers wrote:
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Now while I agree with a lot of what you are saying I'm not really
sure it completely addresses all the issues. For example, while
allowing folks to use any container they want might be a good thing it
can also make it more difficult if that just becomes one more thing
they have to learn about. Frankly, I'd just say to heck with it and
use Spring.
The main point is to have container-independent code as much as
possible. Providing multiple container integration may not be a goal per
se, but should not be made impossible. The main point is that the
pipeline API should be embeddable in other environments.
At this point I don't think we have to worry about radical changes or
the community dying. Of course, it then makes more sense to leverage
Spring WebFlow as I have in mind. And since Spring is such a popular
framework it makes it much more palatable for manager types -
especially those who think EJBs suck and Spring/Hibernate is the answer.
By the way - I'm not interested in Cocoon being sexy. I'm interested
in seeing its adoption rate increase, which is a very different thing.
You misunderstood what I said (or I used the wrong word). By "sexy" I
mean appealing for users, because it makes things easy and fun. If that
goal is achieved, adoption rate should increase. Being appealing for
managers is a different thing as this more mean being either buzzword
compliant or standards (at least defacto ones) compliant.
As to your sitemap changes, I think what you have in mind is right
on. It wouldn't bother me if in 3.0 we have only javaflow and
flowscript for those who want to "roll their own" and webflow for
those who prefer a stateful flow.
As for your comments on Ajax, I don't know if you read it but you
should take a look at this entry from Carsten's blog
http://www.osoco.org/archives/2005/10/index.html.
Honestly, I think Ajax will radically change how we consider portals,
not only technically in the way they are implemented, but by the
relation users will have with the portal. Just have a look at
http://www.google.com/ig to see what I mean.
Sylvain
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