Sylvain Wallez wrote:
The main point is to have container-independent code as much as
possible. Providing multiple container integration may not be a goal
per se, but should not be made impossible. The main point is that the
pipeline API should be embeddable in other environments.
I have no problem with being container independent, but we should only
provide one implementation.
By the way - I'm not interested in Cocoon being sexy. I'm interested
in seeing its adoption rate increase, which is a very different thing.
You misunderstood what I said (or I used the wrong word). By "sexy" I
mean appealing for users, because it makes things easy and fun. If
that goal is achieved, adoption rate should increase. Being appealing
for managers is a different thing as this more mean being either
buzzword compliant or standards (at least defacto ones) compliant.
A Ferrari is sexy. But it is highly impractical for use in commuting to
and from work or in transporting goods. By saying a technology is sexy
it equates it in my mind with a Ferrari. It looks great but probably
doesn't fit really well with the work that needs to be done.
On the other hand, you have a product like IntelliJ Idea. I wouldn't
call it sexy. I'd call it smart. It may not have a really fancy GUI but
it sure makes me productive. Yes, we should be able to create sexy web
sites with Cocoon, but Cocoon itself doesn't have to be sexy - just smart.
As to your sitemap changes, I think what you have in mind is right
on. It wouldn't bother me if in 3.0 we have only javaflow and
flowscript for those who want to "roll their own" and webflow for
those who prefer a stateful flow.
As for your comments on Ajax, I don't know if you read it but you
should take a look at this entry from Carsten's blog
http://www.osoco.org/archives/2005/10/index.html.
Honestly, I think Ajax will radically change how we consider portals,
not only technically in the way they are implemented, but by the
relation users will have with the portal. Just have a look at
http://www.google.com/ig to see what I mean.
It's a nice site, but it clearly isn't a portal. Clicking on links
causes you to leave the website, which a portal usually wouldn't do. But
this discussion really has nothing to do with making Cocoon better.
Ralph
