On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 11:33:38 +0000, Mark Thomas wrote:
On 02/02/2016 11:19, Gilles wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 01:49:21 -0500, Christopher wrote:
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Gilles
<gil...@harfang.homelinux.org>
wrote:
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:20:14 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
Unscientifically, but in the interest of keeping things moving,
it
looks to me like just plain "math" is the winner. Any objections
to
moving forward with this name?
Phil
Proposals were not all presented when people gave opinions.
A [VOTE] perhaps?
Actually: Who should vote, or not?
[Logic would have it that people they do not intend to join
development of the new project should not...]
Users have a huge stake in the name. They will be the ones trying
to
remember the project name when adding it as a dependency, after
all.
Hmm, do you have many examples of a project that was not named by
its
inceptors?
Remember? Remember what?
Users would just have to find the project once in its lifetime, and
copy that into their dependency file.
From a user's perspective, just "Math" is the worst possible choice:
if
you use a search engine to get to one of the project's pages, you'll
get
many more hits related to "math" in general than to the Java project
of
that name.
Many Apache projects won't appear near the top of search results
unless
preceded by Apache. Searching for "Apache Math" should get a user to
exactly where they want to be.
Yes, of course.
Then type "Openoffice", without "Apache", (since that is the example
which
you use below) and see what you get.
Not so with just "Math".
Commons Math appears at the bottom of the third page.
That was my point, no more no less.
[With "java math", Commons Math appears at the bottom of the first
page.]
Moreover, from the majority of Apache projects' names, it is
impossible
to tell what what they are about.
Which is right (most of the time) since the name is usually some
sort
of acronym.
That is simply a choice of name style.
Even when the emblematic web server needed a name, they did not end
up
with "WebServer"!
No, they went with "HTTP Server" or, to use the full name, "Apache
HTTP
Server".
IIUC the story told here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server
the name was chosen as "Apache".
Before the naming became an issue fro the developers, it didn't have
name per se in the sense which we intend in this discussion.
Then, with the Foundation named after its core product name, it was
perhaps sensible to return to the simple "HTTP server".
[This was a bad example in the sense that "HTTP server" is one of a
kind
(in the historic perspective).]
SpamAssassin and OpenOffice are two other significant projects
where the project name relates directly to what they are used for.
And those three projects are some of the biggest, if not the three
biggest, in terms of user base across the ASF.
?
Those are fine as names IMO (i.e. I guess that no other project
would claim ownership of those names).
Not so with "Math".
Gilles
Of all the suggestions "Apache Math" makes the most sense to me.
Mark
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