On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> FWIW my takeaway from the article is that mentoring is a more > effective way to facilitate change than any other type of > social program. I didn't put much stock into the child-raising > argument as it doesn't really apply to us: we deal with adults. > No argument with that. Though there are some days on members@ where I feel like someone needs to hand out juice and cookies. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> > > To: dev@community.apache.org > > Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 12:49:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [proposal] integrating wo...@a.o into an Apache code of > practice > > > > Feh. Another screed about raising children from someone who has, > apparently, > > never met one. > > > > Every parent I know has had the same experience: hand some infant female > a > > truck, and she rejects it. I'm carefully choosing my words to avoid > claiming > > that this is universal, as opposed to extremely common. > > > > My daughters were no exception. Attracted like magnets, initially, to > dolls > > -- and later interested in a variety of subjects. The ballet dancer will > > probably not write the next Linux, but the jury is still out the younger > > one. > > > > The author just retypes the same old tired stuff about kids and toys, > when > > reality is much more complicated. > > > > People are born, it seems, with a complicated set of predispositions, > some > > of which are more or less strongly related to gender. Toy stores sell > what > > people buy, and some of what people buy is what their kids pop out > wanting. > > > > On the other hand, the claim that pre-age-seven play habits are > causative of > > later decisions and preferences is supported in this piece only by > quoting a > > Jesuit. Even by the low standards of social science, that's weak. It's > also > > stupid, thoughless, determinism. It never ceases to amaze me that any > > suggestion of generic influence rejects to the point of offense, but the > > same writers assert that environmental effects are cast into immutable > > stone. > > > > Maybe women are just smarter and have figured out that they can get more > > money for less work in marketing? > > > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com > >wrote: > > > > > Indeed, and on my birthday no less. Good read. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org> > > > > To: dev@community.apache.org > > > > Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 12:31:56 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [proposal] integrating wo...@a.o into an Apache code > of > > > practice > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Joe Schaefer < > joe_schae...@yahoo.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > ...I think > > > > > we should remain open to future initiatives, even those that > > > > > present potential "corrective" biases which favor > underrepresented > > > > > groups.... > > > > > > > > I agree with that. > > > > > > > > About women, I found this article very interesting: > > > > http://jolieodell.wordpress.com/2010/09/07/women-in-tech/ > > > > > > > > -Bertrand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
