We just went through this with Log4j and decided that the Tidelift model was not compatible with Apache. Hopefully someone on our PMC can provide a recap.
Gary On Sun, Feb 27, 2022, 17:06 Roman Shaposhnik <r...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi! > > over the past couple of years there has been a number > of efforts trying to figure out effective ways of getting funded > for working on ASF projects as individuals and not employees > at companies building on top of these projects. > > Chris's recent experience is but one of them: > https://lists.apache.org/thread/momxgzzyq03lz54knvzhxm16r8j40vog > > My personal frustration with all these threads is that we never > seem to arrive at any actionable suggestions for how developers > like Chris can *easily* create these additional income streams. > > Rightfully, we at ASF basically say that it must be a 3d party issue > to solve. It very much is. The problem is that doing so one one-off > just perpetuates the logistical pain of setting up contracts, etc. etc. > This creates a pretty significant barrier and, as Chris's experience > would suggest it typically becomes too insurmountable for individual > developers. > > Sure, there have been interesting attempts to "hack the system" > and use things like GitCoin, BugMark and a few others to solve for > this "how do we get back to our open source roots when individuals, > not corporations were the economic agents around open source". > But I honestly don't know of any of them becoming viable either. > At least not so far. > > At the risk of tilting at windmills once again, I'd like to see if there's > enough interest to take a crack at this problem yet again. > > And in the spirit of "hacking the system" I'd like to suggest that we > focus on a 3d party solving it for us. In fact, I suggest we pick a > very particular 3d party -- TideLift > > > https://support.tidelift.com/hc/en-us/articles/4406293106324-Quickstart-guide > > Now, before you exclaim "who the heck appointed TideLift to solve it for > us?" > I'd be the first one to admit that I picked them because I know them > really well and I do think they are the closest to giving us some of the > answers. > But above all, I'm suggesting we look at TideLift because they seem to > be very much willing to work with us on actually changing their engagement > model to fit our needs. IOW, it is not like their rules are cast in stone > -- we can > assume they are malleable. If anyone knows of a similar 3d party -- let's > discuss > that too. > > If, however, there's a general consensus about seriously looking > at them as that 3d party -- I'd like to start collecting names of ASF > developers (and PMCs) who would be willing to participate in > a trial program with them of sorts and report back. > > If you have comments on anything above -- please reply in-thread. > > If you'd be interested in this trial -- you can either do that or just > reply to me personally. > > Thanks, > Roman. >
