Hello everyone, I think we have a great opportunity to get much more insight on what is really needed here.
Katia and the Diversity team are running the 2022 Survey about the contributor's and there was already a question about whether people are being paid/ not paid / mixed. I think - since this is an important topic - we should gather a bit more stats on what the contributor source of paid work is and what are the biggest obstacles they face in case they want to be paid. I have a feeling that all of us are looking at that from their personal experience and perspectives, but this might vary wildly and the survey seems to be a perfect opportunity to find out more. The announcement is here and Katia asked for comments till 29th of April - so we have still 3 days: https://lists.apache.org/thread/8r0gmw5f10r16drwc5wnyvgvppq3cbcw I already added a comment describing my ideas for the survey questions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s0TVBFf-KvOTl3IejI2FFOOTdkugZlX_ptnN6YWMFN0/edit?disco=AAAAYgvywxI But maybe others could contribute (and even review the survey in general and make more comments) ? J. On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 8:33 AM Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> wrote: > > Yeah, > > That's exactly what I wanted to address. The bootstrapping: creating contacts > for the different types of services (legal) , setup and run the > infrastructure to serve the offers I want to do and keep them updated and > patched (infrastructure), handling payments and chacing after companies not > willing to pay (finance), establish a place people know to offer the services > (marketing and pr) (this is probably the thing requiring most work) and > something to not appear to be a solo fighter, but be part of something bigger. > > I for my part have invested a big part of my last years on all of this. In > the end I failed mainly because my company is too small and can't compete > with the big closed-source names. Now I'm planning on ending my business > after 24 years, as I'm tired of fighting. > > But I would hate to see others in the same situation, so I would love to help > others be successful. If what I learned the hard way helps, that's the > open-source idea on a next level. And I think something like what I proposed > would probably be the thing I personally would have loved to have had and I > probably would still be fully self-employed, if such a thing existed. > > Thinking of my green energy supplier: when I saw the certificate of approval, > that Greenpeace attests them serving truly green energy, that convinced me to > choose them. Perhaps some form of "Apache approves the way this thing > works"-certificate that needs to be renewed (yearly), could be a form to do > this without any problematic ties? > > > Chris > > Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > > ________________________________ > Von: Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2022, 19:50 > An: dev@community.apache.org <dev@community.apache.org> > Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Crazy or good Idea? > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 9:08 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote: > > ... (snip) > > This is a model similar to many ASF projects commercial activities - > > there are people, individuals with merit and experience in the project > > and they decide to start or join a commercial company that puts their > > stakes with the project. There are many stories like that and even if > > some of the people are PMC members and committers that might work. > > I see that it could work here as well. I think it is important to see > > if there can be a real business model behind it. On top of doing "good > > support" for the contributors, such a company would have to simply > > have some business model and be a normal "business" I think. > > I think I get your point here, though this sort of feels like punting > the idea back to "figure out how to be an Influencer® on your own!" As > a software engineer (particularly in the domain of software > development software itself), I find it much easier to write code, > design systems, fix bugs, and other daily work I'm already used to > performing as an individual contributor at any company. Having all the > other skills necessary to run a business has never really been > interesting to me (and I assume similarly for many others), so such an > approach feels somewhat like trying to make it big on the 'gram or the > 'tok (i.e., marketing, publicity, PR, copywriting, artwork, etc., > either provided by yourself or paid for by someone else as a > "sponsor"). > > Christofer's proposal sounds more like a way to try to bootstrap past > that issue, though I can see why it would be fairly difficult to align > with the ASF's values of vendor independence. Maybe there's some sort > of hybrid approach possible similar to ALCs where a sort of business > development kit is provided for people to more easily create firms for > development et al. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
