Is there a way Outreachy can work with the ASF to create more mentors for the programme?
What I'm thinking is that mentoring is hard work. It is difficult work. It is work that (ironically given other discussions) produces less code than getting on with coding. It is often work that can not be referenced in day job performance reviews. Does Outreachy have any programs that focus on addressing the 15:1 mentor:me tee ratio? Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Sage Sharp <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 8:04:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Outreachy framework proposal Outreachy seeks sponsors to fund the general fund each round (every six months). We have some general fund sponsors who have an agreement to donate a specific amount each year. Yearly donors help us more, because they provide a steady funding source we can use for long-term projects, like hiring additional staff. Outreachy is run by just me currently. We've paid hourly contractors before, but they've moved onto other full-time opportunities. I would be open to discussing how Outreachy and the ASF could work together. The only thing I can think of right now is promotion, but with 15 times more applicants than mentors, I don't think promoting to applicants will be helpful. Promoting Outreachy to ASF sponsor companies might help us. I can't think of anything else off the top of my head, but we can brainstorm more. Sage Sharp Outreachy Organizer On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 5:39 PM Ross Gardler <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok. So how can ASF and Outreachy work together under the general fund to > further the missions of both organizations? > > Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> > > ________________________________ > From: Sage Sharp <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:06:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Outreachy framework proposal > > The grey areas of that policy seem to exactly overlap with the requirements > for Outreachy internships. Even if it's a non-programming internship, the > results of the internships must be publicly available. That probably rules > out any of the non-programming projects I listed under the rules of thumb > you outlined. > > It does sound like a donation to the Outreachy general fund would work. > > Sage Sharp > Outreachy Organizer > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 4:59 PM Ross Gardler > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The policy (like most in the ASF) is Grey at the edges. Strictly speaking > > it's that we don't pay for anything the project communities should do for > > themselves. > > > > It gets confusing when talking about infra, marketing, legal etc. Which > we > > pay for. > > > > As a general rule of thumb (not a firm policy IMHO) if it goes into the > > projects version control then it should not be paid for by the > foundation. > > This would include docs and training. > > > > Another rule of thumb I use (again not firm policy) is that if it impacts > > the potential for others to monetize around the software then the ASF > > should not pay for it. So docs and training materials would be out by > that > > guiding principle. > > > > I agree there is no policy against ASF paying for general fund work. > > However, this would have to fully align with the mission of the > foundation. > > Part of which is to support the creation of communities around our > > projects. This, I believe, fits both the D&I and Outreachy goals in this > > conversation. > > > > Ross > > > > Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> > > > > > > > > From: Sage Sharp > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 4:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Outreachy framework proposal > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 3:26 PM Ross Gardler > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'm on my mobile and not able to conduct a full search of the project > > site > > > but... > > > > > > It is a fact that the ASF does not pay for code, by design. Nobody here > > > has the right to ignore that. Challenge it, through the membership, > sure. > > > But do not ignore it. > > > > > > > Is the ASF policy limited to *software*? Does ASF also have a policy for > > not paying for documentation, translation, graphical design, or user > > experience work? Outreachy internships are not limited to programming. > > > > Additionally, there is no policy that prevents the ASF from contributing > > directly to the Outreachy general fund and specifying that the funding > not > > go towards internships or creating software. The funds can go towards > > running the Outreachy program, which takes approximately 400 organizer > > hours per round. It could go towards running career and interview > workshops > > for Outreachy interns. The funds would have to not go towards improving > the > > Outreachy internship website, although that code would certainly would > not > > compete with any ASF member projects. > > > > Sage Sharp > > Outreachy Organizer > > > > > > >
