On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 1:47 AM Sage Sharp <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 3:26 PM Ross Gardler > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I'm on my mobile and not able to conduct a full search of the project > site > > but... > > > > It is a fact that the ASF does not pay for code, by design. Nobody here > > has the right to ignore that. Challenge it, through the membership, sure. > > But do not ignore it. > > > > Is the ASF policy limited to *software*? Does ASF also have a policy for > not paying for documentation, translation, graphical design, or user > experience work? Outreachy internships are not limited to programming. > As Roman already said elsethread, it is basically limited to what lands in a community github/svn repository. But. We just approved funds for an ASF-wide website redesign. And we do pay producers to run our events, including website hosting and CMS systems, and I'm quite certain they use some of their time contributing to open source projects like Drupal. And we also pay for capturing statistics about our projects which requires software development. So there's a lot of gray around the edges. The pattern as I see it (and I'm not always in-line with my fellow directors, so take this with a grain of salt ; o), is that if the expenditures go through Marketing & Publicity or through Infra or through Events, they don't get questioned. This is because they are viewed more as foundation-wide services with code as a by-product. Reframing Outreachy involvement as a foundation-wide attempt to better understand our diversity problems with code as a by-product has had limited success. There is a gray area, and some people (full-disclosure: including myself), tend to view Outreachy internships more on the end of code-producing mechanisms. Some people don't perceive a gray area at all. The ASF is not a monolith of course. ; o) In general, I *want* our Outreachy interns to be producing artifacts which our communities consider productive. This could mean code, or documentation, or whatever. But it means that we're talking about the areas in which the ASF needs to maintain neutrality. The reason I want this, is because this is the vast majority of our activity at the foundation. This is our *purpose* as a foundation. And this is where we need to improve. So this is where we need to understand our problems better. > Additionally, there is no policy that prevents the ASF from contributing > directly to the Outreachy general fund and specifying that the funding not > go towards internships or creating software. The funds can go towards > running the Outreachy program, which takes approximately 400 organizer > hours per round. It could go towards running career and interview workshops > for Outreachy interns. The funds would have to not go towards improving the > Outreachy internship website, although that code would certainly would not > compete with any ASF member projects. > This comment here about the website tickles my "irony bone", after we just approved funds for improving the ASF website. : o) If we were to donate to the Outreachy general fund, we'd probably have to make that restriction about funding internships, but we'd be hypocritical if we restricted you from spending on your website. Best Regards, Myrle
