On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 7:05 AM Greg Stein <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 06:41:13PM +0000, Ross Gardler wrote: > > Thanks for the additional background Sam. With respect to "There are > > some people with concerns that haven't been expressed on this list. > > Some of those concerns may lead to the conclusion that having sponsors > > acting independently of ASF wishes, however well meaning they are in > > doing so, may lead to problematic results." - all I can say if "if it > > didn't happen on the list, it didn't happen". > > Not all interested parties are subscribed to this list. Those with > concerns may be waiting for proposals to be brought before the Board, > rather than getting involved with the sausage-making, here. > > There is a lot of grey area. "If you care, subscribe" "It has been > delegated, so don't wait for a proposal, go to the source" "It is a > [NOTICE] of action, not an [RFC] so feedback from outside is not on > the menu"
I believe the intent is to seek lazy consensus instead of approval. I'll also note that this notice isn't asking the board for anything, but is being prepared in public view, will be shared with the board, and an opportunity to provide feedback will be provided before action is taken. I support the idea of such notices as a path forward. It strikes the right balance between oversight and JFDI. And does so without forcing the board to take a vote. > There are clearly sensitivities. I believe Sam has the right of it: > approach cautiously, while listening. Personally, I disagree with the > concept of "must be subscribed and involved", since we've always said > Members can observe and participate at their discretion. > > Personally, I have no disagreement with Myrle's proposal. My comment > here is on approach: whether it will be a fait d'acompli [NOTICE] to > board@ ... or whether other groups may have constructive feedback > (eg. members@ or somesuch; dunno). Not sure on the inclusion. Would this following help? We have the technology (via STeVe) to have a non-binding poll the membership. We will have an election coming up in March-ish 2020. The decision to fund interns from ASF funds is a binary one. My sense is that the board has been asked to make a difficult decision, and is not ready yet to do so. We however have a path forward that will give us more data, and we can put in place a plan to poll the membership for guidance on the matter. We can ask those that wish to do so to prepare a position paper (one each, pro and con) that can guide the membership in casting their votes. > Cheers, > -g - Sam Ruby
