On Monday 23 November 2009 10:30, bjoern michaelsen - Sun Microsystems - 
Hamburg Germany wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:24:04 +0100
>
> Nino Novak <nn...@openoffice.org> wrote:
> > On Sunday 22 November 2009 18:30, Clayton wrote:
> > > Part of the prob on the Wiki is that thousands of pages have no
> > > Category at all.. :-(
> >
> > (For me, this is not a problem)
> > [...]
> > (I really don't understand what's better with unusable categories
> > than with uncategorized pages)
>
> Uncategorized pages are:
> - ownerless

wiki pages are ownerless in general as long as nobody takes care of 
them. 

> - thus become unmaintained, outdated or stay incomplete

they do not become unmaintained because of lacking the appropriate 
category - they lack their category because they are unmaintained

> - allow the same topic to be covered by multiple pages to contradict
>   themselves

This is far less evil than having good but unusable categories 

> - still might show up on searches and lure users away from the
>   maintained documentation

That does not change with giving them a (wrong) category

> - make the wiki-wide maintaince using
>   http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages
>   harder

Not at all. They are clearly identifiable. With a wrong category they 
are lost.


> So they are Evil(tm). And it is a lot easier to "push down" pages in
> the category hierarchy as someone maintaining the category has it
> easier to decide into which subcategory to push a page, where again
> it can be picked up by a maintainer for the subcategory(*).

Who is actually this "someone maintainig the category"? 
Who is actually the "maintainer for the subcategory"?

> When I find an uncategorized documentation page, I would like to
> make the documentation project aware of that, but without having to
> learn by what logic the doc project uses categories internally.

Then use an appropriate Category and not the wrong one.

> > Then I'd suggest to use another category (like Doc/ToDo or similar)
> > instead of making the existing Category unusable just for a Test.
>
> see
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Dashboard/Idea
>storm#Category:Documentation.2FIncoming I would guess that
> Documentation/Candidate would do? If so, we should consider such a
> category for all projects (e.g. Writer/Candidate etc.) using a
> consistent naming scheme so one does not have to search the
> categories first how this project named their "inbox" (something I
> really find annoying about the inconsistent naming of the
> NLC-projects).

Then you should simply do it (as you have done with many pages 
before :-) (and not advocate the wrong practice).

Nino
a little bit confused ... what's going wrong here?

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