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EdB On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Marcelo Fabricio de Mello <marcelofme...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi guys, > > > How can i unsubscribe this list !? > tks, > > Marcelo > > > > > > 2013/6/3 Maxime Cowez <maxime.co...@gmail.com> > >> @Sebastian: I could not disagree more. In my opinion Flex *is* an MVC >> framework. It doesn't need an additional layer that requires me to write a >> whole lot of boilerplate, unnecessarily complicates project structure and >> forces me to adhere to some rules I often find questionable. I believe Flex >> has all the tools for creating well-architectured, cleanly separated code >> (at least since Flex 4). The one thing I miss is an IoC container (even >> though I could get things done without it, but an IoC sure makes life >> easier - as opposed to most MVC frameworks). For this I usually use >> SwiftSuspenders because it is the only library that is *only* an IoC and >> nothing else (except perhaps for Spring-AS, which I find too complex for >> most situations). >> Anyway, I'm not saying you shouldn't adopt frameworks like Swiz under the >> Apache Flex umbrella (that's why I didn't vote: I don't like Swiz or any >> other "MVC" framework, but other people should be able to use it if they >> like). I'm saying that you really should not force people into such >> frameworks. For me that would be a reason to drop Flex. >> Max >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Sebastian Mohr <flex.masul...@gmail.com >> >wrote: >> >> > IMO ... Apache Flex needs an MVC framework out of the box ... may it be >> > Parsley, Spring AS or Swiz. I'd call it then "Apache Flex MVC" framework. >> > Having that would bring more stability to the our Flex market. More >> > information can be found here [1]. >> > >> > [1] https://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/WhatsWrongWithFlex >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Sebastian (PPMC) >> > Interaction Designer >> > >> > Looking for a Login Example with Apache Flex? Please check out this code: >> > http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/LoginExample >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote: >> > >> > > Thanks Carlos. >> > > >> > > When the 72 hours pass, please use a [VOTE][RESULT] tag to officially >> > > close the vote. >> > > >> > > @Erik. My vote didn't have to really count since it came late, but >> > without >> > > a [VOTE][RESULT] tag on a vote summary email it wasn't clear it was >> > > officially closed. >> > > >> > > Thanks again, >> > > -Alex >> > > >> > > On 6/2/13 2:44 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > >I'm fine with a second reound of votes. So we can close here this >> thread >> > > >and I open a new one just now. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >2013/6/2 Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> >> > > > >> > > >> Ok, if that's what it takes to avoid further confusion, I'll second >> > > >> (or third) a new vote, but all the points you raise have been >> > > >> discussed and the resulting consensus conforms with the points you >> > > >> want to add/amend in the new vote. >> > > >> >> > > >> Note also that Parsley also seems to be on the point of being >> donated, >> > > >> so all the 'endorsment' worries seem premature and unnecessary. >> > > >> >> > > >> A point of procedure: can you add a 'binding' vote AFTER the result >> > > >> has been called? >> > > >> >> > > >> EdB >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> >> wrote: >> > > >> > My count is now three binding -1's. Igor Costa, Jeff Tapper, and >> > Om. >> > > >> I >> > > >> > guess I'll add a fourth. Jeff qualified his vote, but it still >> > reads >> > > >>as >> > > >> > -1 because it isn't right to assume he accepts your interpretation >> > of >> > > >>the >> > > >> > proposal. Jeff should change his vote if he is convinced. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > The amount of discussion and confusion by others that we are not >> > > >>picking >> > > >> > Swiz as the favorite and that Parsley and other app frameworks are >> > > >> > welcome, makes me make another plea to re-do this vote. Reading >> > some >> > > >>of >> > > >> > these posts make it clear to me that folks have different ideas of >> > > >>what >> > > >> is >> > > >> > going to happen in the future. I'm still unclear whether Swiz AOP >> > > >>code >> > > >> is >> > > >> > going to be moved into the framework or not. I thought we were >> > going >> > > >>to >> > > >> > warehouse Swiz, but instead, it appears that Carlos wants to make >> a >> > > >>set >> > > >> of >> > > >> > significant improvements to Swiz, which is fine, but might be what >> > > >>makes >> > > >> > people think we're endorsing or playing favorites. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Yes, you have the numbers to forge ahead, but we are told to >> > consider >> > > >>the >> > > >> > number of -1's. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > I would recommend a proposal that states clearly that >> > > >> > >> > > >> > 1) Swiz goes in its own repo. The original proposal says it could >> > go >> > > >> into >> > > >> > a folder under utilities, but I think flexunit is a better model. >> > > >> > 2) Swiz will have active development but release separately from >> the >> > > >>SDK. >> > > >> > The activity level isn't quite clear from the original proposal. >> > > >>People >> > > >> > need to be comfortable that this activity isn't an endorsement or >> > > >> > favoritism. >> > > >> > 3) Acceptance of Swiz is not an endorsement or favoritism. >> > > >> > 4) Any other app framework is welcomed to be donated via the same >> > > >> process. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > It would make me much happier to have a vote thread with just +1's >> > or >> > > >> -1's >> > > >> > without qualifications. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > -Alex >> > > >> > >> > > >> > On 6/1/13 10:19 AM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" <bigosma...@gmail.com> >> > > >>wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> >>I am sorry, but I voted a -1 binding as well and my concerns have >> > not >> > > >> been >> > > >> >>addressed. >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >>If we are going to go ahead, can we at least bring it into a >> contrib >> > > >> >>folder >> > > >> >>and make at least one release out of it before promoting it to a >> > main >> > > >> >>repo? >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >>Thanks, >> > > >> >>Om >> > > >> >>On Jun 1, 2013 10:07 AM, "Carlos Rovira" >> > > >><carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> >> > > >> >>wrote: >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >>> Ok Erik, >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> I see it ok as well. As you said there's only one -1 binding >> vote >> > > >>(Igor >> > > >> >>> Costa) and one -1 non binding vote (Carlos Velasco), and it was >> > > >>already >> > > >> >>> explained the motivations behind the donation and the intention >> to >> > > >> >>>maintain >> > > >> >>> swiz out of main flex-sdk cycle and not promote it as the >> > preferred >> > > >> >>>mvc-ioc >> > > >> >>> microarquitecture. >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> So for me it's ok, if it's ok for the rest of people here. >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> Hope Chris could send us that email soon regarding it's >> intention >> > of >> > > >> >>>donate >> > > >> >>> the source code and wiki >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> Thanks to you Erik as well for clearing things here. >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> Carlos >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> 2013/6/1 Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> > I think this is a valid vote and there is no need to declare >> it >> > > >> >>> > invalid. There is only one definite, binding -1 (Igor) and he >> > > >> declined >> > > >> >>> > to explain his motivation, something that is customary when >> > > >>casting a >> > > >> >>> > negative vote. >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> >>> > Once Chris Scott 'officially' donates Swiz - there are some >> > hoops >> > > >>he >> > > >> >>> > has to jump through, but we'll get to those when he contacts >> us- >> > > >>we >> > > >> >>> > can create a new repo for it: either a general >> > > >>'flex-contrib/swiz' or >> > > >> >>> > a specific one, like 'flex-swiz', we need to discuss that a >> bit >> > > >>more, >> > > >> >>> > I think. >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> >>> > Thank you Carlos for managing the vote and keeping track of >> this >> > > >> >>> donation. >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> >>> > EdB >> > > >> >>> > >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> -- >> > > >> >>> Carlos Rovira >> > > >> >>> Director de Tecnología >> > > >> >>> M: +34 607 22 60 05 >> > > >> >>> F: +34 912 94 80 80 >> > > >> >>> http://www.codeoscopic.com >> > > >> >>> http://www.directwriter.es >> > > >> >>> http://www.avant2.es >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> -- >> > > >> Ix Multimedia Software >> > > >> >> > > >> Jan Luykenstraat 27 >> > > >> 3521 VB Utrecht >> > > >> >> > > >> T. 06-51952295 >> > > >> I. www.ixsoftware.nl >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >-- >> > > >Carlos Rovira >> > > >Director de Tecnología >> > > >M: +34 607 22 60 05 >> > > >F: +34 912 94 80 80 >> > > >http://www.codeoscopic.com >> > > >http://www.directwriter.es >> > > >http://www.avant2.es >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- Ix Multimedia Software Jan Luykenstraat 27 3521 VB Utrecht T. 06-51952295 I. www.ixsoftware.nl
