Sebastian, you should open a new thread :)
On 3 June 2013 17:22, Sebastian Mohr <flex.masul...@gmail.com> wrote: > IMO ... Apache Flex needs an MVC framework out of the box ... may it be > Parsley, Spring AS or Swiz. I'd call it then "Apache Flex MVC" framework. > Having that would bring more stability to the our Flex market. More > information can be found here [1]. > > [1] https://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/WhatsWrongWithFlex > > > -- > Sebastian (PPMC) > Interaction Designer > > Looking for a Login Example with Apache Flex? Please check out this code: > http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/LoginExample > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote: > > > Thanks Carlos. > > > > When the 72 hours pass, please use a [VOTE][RESULT] tag to officially > > close the vote. > > > > @Erik. My vote didn't have to really count since it came late, but > without > > a [VOTE][RESULT] tag on a vote summary email it wasn't clear it was > > officially closed. > > > > Thanks again, > > -Alex > > > > On 6/2/13 2:44 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> > wrote: > > > > >I'm fine with a second reound of votes. So we can close here this thread > > >and I open a new one just now. > > > > > > > > >2013/6/2 Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> > > > > > >> Ok, if that's what it takes to avoid further confusion, I'll second > > >> (or third) a new vote, but all the points you raise have been > > >> discussed and the resulting consensus conforms with the points you > > >> want to add/amend in the new vote. > > >> > > >> Note also that Parsley also seems to be on the point of being donated, > > >> so all the 'endorsment' worries seem premature and unnecessary. > > >> > > >> A point of procedure: can you add a 'binding' vote AFTER the result > > >> has been called? > > >> > > >> EdB > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote: > > >> > My count is now three binding -1's. Igor Costa, Jeff Tapper, and > Om. > > >> I > > >> > guess I'll add a fourth. Jeff qualified his vote, but it still > reads > > >>as > > >> > -1 because it isn't right to assume he accepts your interpretation > of > > >>the > > >> > proposal. Jeff should change his vote if he is convinced. > > >> > > > >> > The amount of discussion and confusion by others that we are not > > >>picking > > >> > Swiz as the favorite and that Parsley and other app frameworks are > > >> > welcome, makes me make another plea to re-do this vote. Reading > some > > >>of > > >> > these posts make it clear to me that folks have different ideas of > > >>what > > >> is > > >> > going to happen in the future. I'm still unclear whether Swiz AOP > > >>code > > >> is > > >> > going to be moved into the framework or not. I thought we were > going > > >>to > > >> > warehouse Swiz, but instead, it appears that Carlos wants to make a > > >>set > > >> of > > >> > significant improvements to Swiz, which is fine, but might be what > > >>makes > > >> > people think we're endorsing or playing favorites. > > >> > > > >> > Yes, you have the numbers to forge ahead, but we are told to > consider > > >>the > > >> > number of -1's. > > >> > > > >> > I would recommend a proposal that states clearly that > > >> > > > >> > 1) Swiz goes in its own repo. The original proposal says it could > go > > >> into > > >> > a folder under utilities, but I think flexunit is a better model. > > >> > 2) Swiz will have active development but release separately from the > > >>SDK. > > >> > The activity level isn't quite clear from the original proposal. > > >>People > > >> > need to be comfortable that this activity isn't an endorsement or > > >> > favoritism. > > >> > 3) Acceptance of Swiz is not an endorsement or favoritism. > > >> > 4) Any other app framework is welcomed to be donated via the same > > >> process. > > >> > > > >> > It would make me much happier to have a vote thread with just +1's > or > > >> -1's > > >> > without qualifications. > > >> > > > >> > -Alex > > >> > > > >> > On 6/1/13 10:19 AM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" <bigosma...@gmail.com> > > >>wrote: > > >> > > > >> >>I am sorry, but I voted a -1 binding as well and my concerns have > not > > >> been > > >> >>addressed. > > >> >> > > >> >>If we are going to go ahead, can we at least bring it into a contrib > > >> >>folder > > >> >>and make at least one release out of it before promoting it to a > main > > >> >>repo? > > >> >> > > >> >>Thanks, > > >> >>Om > > >> >>On Jun 1, 2013 10:07 AM, "Carlos Rovira" > > >><carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> > > >> >>wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >>> Ok Erik, > > >> >>> > > >> >>> I see it ok as well. As you said there's only one -1 binding vote > > >>(Igor > > >> >>> Costa) and one -1 non binding vote (Carlos Velasco), and it was > > >>already > > >> >>> explained the motivations behind the donation and the intention to > > >> >>>maintain > > >> >>> swiz out of main flex-sdk cycle and not promote it as the > preferred > > >> >>>mvc-ioc > > >> >>> microarquitecture. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> So for me it's ok, if it's ok for the rest of people here. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Hope Chris could send us that email soon regarding it's intention > of > > >> >>>donate > > >> >>> the source code and wiki > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Thanks to you Erik as well for clearing things here. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Carlos > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> 2013/6/1 Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > I think this is a valid vote and there is no need to declare it > > >> >>> > invalid. There is only one definite, binding -1 (Igor) and he > > >> declined > > >> >>> > to explain his motivation, something that is customary when > > >>casting a > > >> >>> > negative vote. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > Once Chris Scott 'officially' donates Swiz - there are some > hoops > > >>he > > >> >>> > has to jump through, but we'll get to those when he contacts us- > > >>we > > >> >>> > can create a new repo for it: either a general > > >>'flex-contrib/swiz' or > > >> >>> > a specific one, like 'flex-swiz', we need to discuss that a bit > > >>more, > > >> >>> > I think. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > Thank you Carlos for managing the vote and keeping track of this > > >> >>> donation. > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > EdB > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> -- > > >> >>> Carlos Rovira > > >> >>> Director de Tecnología > > >> >>> M: +34 607 22 60 05 > > >> >>> F: +34 912 94 80 80 > > >> >>> http://www.codeoscopic.com > > >> >>> http://www.directwriter.es > > >> >>> http://www.avant2.es > > >> >>> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Ix Multimedia Software > > >> > > >> Jan Luykenstraat 27 > > >> 3521 VB Utrecht > > >> > > >> T. 06-51952295 > > >> I. www.ixsoftware.nl > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Carlos Rovira > > >Director de Tecnología > > >M: +34 607 22 60 05 > > >F: +34 912 94 80 80 > > >http://www.codeoscopic.com > > >http://www.directwriter.es > > >http://www.avant2.es > > > > > -- João Fernandes
