Is this targeting the landing page, the main website, or the entire website including the documentation?
Compare the main page of Spark with its documentation: https://spark.apache.org/ https://spark.apache.org/docs/latest/ I like the consistency of the current Flink page, but it is obviously easier to change only the main page first and leave the documentation unchanged. -Max On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 3:07 AM Mohan, Deepthi <mdee...@amazon.com.invalid> wrote: > > Thank you all for the feedback. Point taken about decoupling > content/structure and design. As a first step, I can work with an AWS UX > designer and come with a list of suggestions and wireframes. And while we > aren't forming a committee yet, if anyone wants to collaborate, please reach > out. > > On 2/21/23, 5:31 AM, "Chesnay Schepler" <ches...@apache.org> wrote: > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > > Max is raising some good points. > > Ultimately, you are free to propose changes; we don't categorically > reject changes to the website. > > On the flip-side, the proposed changes should also be as granular as > possible, because there's no real reason why changing the content > structure should be coupled to the design of the page or vice-versa. > > Please don't approach this as a "grand redesign" of the website where > we'll just a flip a switch eventually to go from old to new. > > Rather, break down the "problems with the website" into separate issue > that we can tackle one-by-one. > Because of that I'd also be against creating a "committee" at this time, > because that just makes it imo more likely that this will be handled as > an all-or-nothing/waterfall kind of thing. > > On 21/02/2023 11:31, Maximilian Michels wrote: > > -0 for a redesign. I might be the only one but I like the current > > simple design. I find it quite elegant. Apache projects do not tend to > > have fancy websites. That's ok. If you consider the AWS pages, they > > are far from being modern or beautiful. > > > > A redesign often is appealing but it can take a huge amount of time to > > get it right. This can mean the project is unable to focus on the main > > target of delivering great software and documentation. > > > > Some concerns: > > 1. Content regressions (content not being displayed properly, content > > and graphics not fitting anymore, code formatting breaking) > > 2. Higher entry barrier for committing (tooling / formatting becomes > > complicated) > > 3. Lack of focus on the content which needs work too (e.g. outdated > > information, lack of documentation of features) > > > > That said, I would support a redesign if we prevent regressions and > > build on standard tooling and best practices. I'm just not convinced > > (yet) that the pros outweigh the cons. > > > > -Max > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 9:57 AM Danny Cranmer <dannycran...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> Hi Deepthi, > >> > >> +1 for a redesign. > >> > >> I like the idea of setting up a committee/team that can produce some > mock > >> ups and create a FLIP where the community can elect the best look and > feel. > >> I very much look forward to seeing the results! > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Danny > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 8:37 AM Jing Ge <j...@ververica.com.invalid> > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Deepthi, > >>> > >>> Thanks for the feedback. Zeplin I mentioned is a UX/UI design > software[1], > >>> it is not Zeppelin. > >>> > >>> It is great to hear that Amazon UX/UI designers would contribute. > There was > >>> a lack of front-end engineers in the past. Hopefully we could find > enough > >>> front-end contributors for this big project. > >>> > >>> +1 looking forward to your proposal. > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> Jing > >>> > >>> [1] https://zeplin.io/ > >>> > >>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 8:59 AM Shuo Cheng <njucs...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hey! > >>>> > >>>> +1 for the proposal, the first page of Flink is more like a tutorial > >>>> document for developers compared to the other top apache projects. > >>> Looking > >>>> forward to a more attractive Flink website. > >>>> > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> Shuo > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 8:13 AM Mohan, Deepthi > >>> <mdee...@amazon.com.invalid > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> I am a product manager for Kinesis Data Analytics, AWS’s managed > >>> service > >>>>> for Apache Flink. I’m creating this thread to gauge community > interest > >>> in > >>>>> redesigning the Flink website: https://flink.apache.org/. > >>>>> A few of our customers have provided feedback that the Apache Flink > >>>>> website looks dated. One customer claimed that the website looks > >>>>> “unwelcoming” and lacks useful graphics and colors. Another said it > >>> looks > >>>>> “like a wiki page thrown together by developers.” Customers also > point > >>>> out > >>>>> other related Apache project websites: https://spark.apache.org/ and > >>>>> https://kafka.apache.org/ as having “modern” user design. Many were > >>>>> surprised to hear that Flink has been a top-5 Apache project for > >>> several > >>>>> years now. > >>>>> As https://flink.apache.org/ is likely the first page someone new to > >>>>> Flink encounters, it will be helpful to modernize the look and feel > of > >>>> the > >>>>> website. Given the growing interest in Flink, we have an > opportunity to > >>>>> make content and features visible and easily accessible to > customers. > >>> I’d > >>>>> like to learn if this is an idea we should pursue. I can create a > FLIP > >>> if > >>>>> there is interest. > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Deepthi Mohan > >>>>> > >
