Christian Lippka wrote:
Hi Jörg,
thanks for submitting this specification. I totally agree with you on
the point that multi selection is not very well visualized nowadays.
Even a single selection can be confusing if there are multiple shapes
with roughly the same size at the same position.
Your solution seems to be to also visualize the selection at the shape
itself, by setting the stroke color to green. Or do you just want to
have a green outline? (f.e., if the stroke is black and 1/2 inch thick,
is it all green or mainly black with a thin green edge? )
I have two problems with this. First we loose the what you see is what
you get on selected shapes. For example you select a shape because
you want the stroke to be blue. You select it, select blue from the
toolbar and you wonder why it is green now. That is confusing for the
user. My second problem with it is that it is not very accessible.
Think about people that have difficulties separating red and green
colors. I don't know how well this will work for them. Also what if
all your shapes are already outlined in green?
I'm very in favor of improving our current selection visualization,
but I would prefer if we find a solution that does not change the
appearance of the selected shapes. But I'm afraid I have no better
Idea at the moment. Btw, your competitive analysis mock ups show the
current problem very well :)
Armin, whats your opinion on this?
Hi all,
i see the Problem and often it's not easy to find out which objects are
selected using the visual feedback, it needs to be enhanced.
But Christian is right with the point that it makes no sense to change
the visualisation of the object, this would lead to Problems for the
user. It does not matter which aspect of the shape to change, it is a
bad idea.
It is better to think of the selection as a kind of 'overlay' as it is
with the green handles. They mimic laying 'over' all objects. We will
need something similar to improve the visualisation of multiselections.
The basics for doing this will be in CWS aw024, there will be a true
overlay to use for this.
Do You know the visualisation of entered groups? In the example from the
spec, when You group 2 of the objects and enter them (F3 or double click
on group) the 3rd object will get 'ghosted'. I added this a while ago to
make more clear with which objects You can work when You entered a group.
With Overlay, we can do something similar. Think about drawing a
selection shape 1/2 transparent with definable color over the shape to
make it somewhat 'ghosted', this would come close to the paradigm of
text selection where the moving cursor hilights the selection. It would
also be possible to have some animated polygons with dashes and dots
being animated, but not covering the whole border of the original shape.
Or maybe a 0,2mm more fat, 1/2 transparent line, or, or...
There will be many possibilities, but we will have to discuss with
accessibility people, too. It will only be an acceptable solution for
OOo when it works well in normal and high-contrast modes for people who
need accessibility.
Regards,
Christian
Jörg Wartenberg wrote:
Hello,
I know from my own user experience, that it's sometimes difficult
which object, in one of the OOo drawing applications, is selected and
which not. I tried to collect some examples and created some mock-ups
how it could look more clear.
I put this samples into the specification template and attached it to
issue 70978. I'm curious what you think about it.
HTH Jörg
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