Hi, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ > http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/eula.htm > > The corefonts allow distribution in unmodified form and you're allowed > to install an unlimited amount of copies...
Thank you for the information. I downloaded the fonts from the site and then got 32 Western font files: andalemo.ttf Andale Mono arial.ttf Arial arialbd.ttf Arial Bold arialbi.ttf Arial Bold Italic ariali.ttf Arial Italic ariblk.ttf Arial Black comic.ttf Comic Sans MS comicbd.ttf Comic Sans MS Bold cour.ttf Courier New courbd.ttf Courier New Bold courbi.ttf Courier New Bold Italic couri.ttf Courier New Italic georgia.ttf Georgia georgiab.ttf Georgia Bold georgiai.ttf Georgia Italic georgiaz.ttf Georgia Bold Italic impact.ttf Impact tahoma.ttf Tahoma tahomabd.ttf Tahoma Bold times.ttf Times New Roman timesbd.ttf Times New Roman Bold timesbi.ttf Times New Roman Bold Italic timesi.ttf Times New Roman Italic trebuc.ttf Trebuchet MS trebucbd.ttf Trebuchet MS Bold trebucbi.ttf Trebuchet MS Bold Italic trebucit.ttf Trebuchet MS Italic verdana.ttf Verdana verdanab.ttf Verdana Bold verdanai.ttf Verdana Italic verdanaz.ttf Verdana Bold Italic webdings.ttf Webdings Do you know other sites where Asian fonts are available? >> With current implementation, both combo boxes in the dialog of >> Tools|Options|%PRODUCTNAME|Fonts list the fonts that have been >> installed in the computer. So it means that a user can replace >> one of the installed fonts with another one of the installed fonts. >> That does not make sense, does it? > > It does. There are "ugly" fonts and "less ugly" fonts... > If you often exchange documents with somebody else and you have other > preferences of the font than your partner, one can define a replacement. Ah! > Or if you often get documents that use a certain windows-Font and you > don't have one of the other well-known good-quality replacements for it > (only some ugly ones), you can define it to another font that looks > better although it might not look like the original one. If you don't have the font, you cannot choose the font from the list because the list includes installed fonts only, not externally coming fonts. Right? Maybe, this topic is just what control or widget we should use instead of a current combo box. A combo box wrongly leads users to CHOOSE one of the listed fonts. Users would never think the box was editable. >> How about adding a dialog that pops up when opening a document that >> includes unknown font names, saying "You are about to open a document >> that includes uninstalled fonts. %PRODUCTNAME will automatically use >> substituted fonts installed in your computer in place of the unknown >> fonts to render texts. If you want to tweak the automatic font >> substitution, go to the menu Format|xxx|yyy|zzz." followed by >> "[ ] This dialog will not be needed any longer." > > I would prefer a way to highlight the portions of text that are affected > instead of getting an annoying Dialog that I have to dismiss... There are many types of user in the world. Some do not want to face such a annoying dialog. On the other hand, the other want to be taught upon the first time of new feature. So, i understand your preference and we should not decide general preference here, now. That should be left to the user experience team. >> The OpenDocument is a neutral file format that supports all platforms. >> Why don't we try to make its contents neutral, too? > > Because it is not a "markup" Format (well, the format is, but not the > representation), but more WYSIWYG like... > >> In other words, within a few years, we would have to move to more >> platform-independent world. Don't you think so? > > That has nothing to do with it IMHO. Even now, when I don't have the > font installed that the document uses, I can open it. > > The problem of choosing a wrong ethnic font can be compensated by having > a look at the characters' language attribute or by having a look at the > fontnames. > > No need for an Abstraction that actually hinders/randomizes the WYSIWYG > part... Let's take a break for a few days. I will discuss this topic with colleges and friends of mine having good meals and beer. Could you also try to talk with someone around you? Possible key points would be: - OpenOffice.org is a multi-platform software application. - OpenOffice.org is an office suite, not a DTP software. - WYSIWYG (presentation) or structure (contents), which is more important for daily business use and upcoming new generation of the technology. >> Here is another topic that i would like to append. >> [TTC] > > I cannot really say anything about that since I don't know anything > about truetype collection fonts... > >> [...] >> With that description, we could append a short note saying either >> "This font is installed." or "This font is not installed and will be >> replaced with font xxx." > > This is not really short, is it? ;-> > SCNR Here is a dump of the table "name" in the font file arial.ttf from the CoreFonts. The meaning of each ID is described in the specification available at http://www.microsoft.com/typography/tt/ttf_spec/ttch02.doc ==== Platform ID Platform-specific encoding ID Language ID Name ID 0 3 0 0 Typeface The Monotype Corporation plc. Data The Monotype Corporation plc/Type Solutions Inc. 1990-1992. All Rights Reserved 0 3 0 1 Arial 0 3 0 2 Regular 0 3 0 3 Monotype:Arial Regular:Version 2.82 (Microsoft) 0 3 0 4 Arial 0 3 0 5 Version 2.82 0 3 0 6 ArialMT 0 3 0 7 Arial\uffff Trademark of The Monotype Corporation plc registered in the US Pat & TM Off. and elsewhere. 0 3 0 8 Monotype Typography 0 3 0 9 Monotype Type Drawing Office - Robin Nicholas, Patricia Saunders 1982 0 3 0 10 Contemporary sans serif design, Arial contains more humanist characteristics than many of its predecessors and as such is more in tune with the mood of the last decades of the twentieth century. The overall treatment of curves is softer and fuller than in most industrial style sans serif faces. Terminal strokes are cut on the diagonal which helps to give the face a less mechanical appearance. Arial is an extremely versatile family of typefaces which can be used with equal success for text setting in reports, presentations, magazines etc, and for display use in newspapers, advertising and promotions. 0 3 0 11 http://www.monotype.com/html/mtname/ms_arial.html 0 3 0 12 http://www.monotype.com/html/mtname/ms_welcome.html 0 3 0 13 NOTIFICATION OF LICENSE AGREEMENT This typeface is the property of Monotype Typography and its use by you is covered under the terms of a license agreement. You have obtained this typeface software either directly from Monotype or together with software distributed by one of Monotype's licensees. This software is a valuable asset of Monotype. Unless you have entered into a specific license agreement granting you additional rights, your use of this software is limited to your workstation for your own publishing use. You may not copy or distribute this software. If you have any question concerning your rights you should review the license agreement you received with the software or contact Monotype for a copy of the license agreement. Monotype can be contacted at: USA - (847) 718-0400 UK - 01144 01737 765959 http://www.monotype.com 0 3 0 14 http://www.monotype.com/html/type/license.html ==== I know that OpenOffice.org is not a DTP software, but that kind of information, especially the description of the Name ID 9, is helpful to understand the font. Current implementation solely shows a name of font and quite small portion of its appearance. That is sometimes difficult to identify what font is for what. A mark denoting "Installed" or "Not Installed" is just a small enhancement that we could do. And we would need to consider how OOo helps users choose a font out of a tremendous number of fonts. Again, StarSuite 8 Japanese comes with 35 Japanese fonts. How do Japanese users choose an appropriate font out of 35 fonts plus OS-pre-installed fonts? I am sorry for mixing two different topics into one, but ... >>> [replacing fonts on export] >> Additionally, please consider the following user scenario: >> >> 1. Open a Microsoft Office document with OpenOffice.org on Linux or Solaris. >> 2. Insert some texts within existing texts. >> 3. Append some texts in the empty area. >> 4. Save the document into Microsoft Office file format and return it to >> the person who asked the user to edit it. >> >> Step 2 would have no problem. The inserted texts would be given a font >> name specified in the original document, i.e. a font in the Windows. >> >> Step 3 might have a problem. The appended texts would be given a font >> name available in his/her computer. > > Not necessarily. This would only be the case if all the other text would > have been hard-formatted, with the style defaulting to another font. And > even then, OOo would still write the fontname of that style into the > document (i.e. what is defined in the document9, not what is available > on the sytem. Yes, you are right. Any idea to realize the marketing strategy? Such as... "With OpenOffice.org, you can use Microsoft Office in your work place and you can continuously work on your documents at home, at cafe, wherever you are. OpenOffice.org allows you to open Microsoft Office documents, edit them, and save them back in the original file format." Additionally, many vendors in Japan now want to offer customers a thin-client system as a replacement of legacy Windows, hard-to-manage, costly, system. OpenOffice.org, the multi-platform, open-source office suite, is becoming the star. ciao Tora --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
