>From talking w/ Kishore earlier, think the key thing to convey to users is the level of control they get. "Cluster manager/management" seems like something relatively out of the user's control, like some external service that contains their services. But "framework" or "toolkit" conveys more control, like the user is building a system such as a cluster manager (in the YARN / Mesos sense), which is probably more in-line with what Helix actually is.
-Greg On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:07 PM, kishore g <g.kish...@gmail.com> wrote: > Throwing in another option "Toolkit for building distributed systems". > > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Kanak Biscuitwala <kana...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > SolrCloud's Helix clone throws around the word "orchestrate". I have > found > > it to be a useful term when describing Helix to others as well. > > > > > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:25:27 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: Re-define: What is Helix > > > From: osgig...@gmail.com > > > To: u...@helix.apache.org > > > CC: dev@helix.apache.org > > > > > > > > I read through the response on the stackoverflow and from what I know > > > the crux of the Helix framework appears to be 'Automation of > > > Declarative State Management for Clustered Resources' ... now isn't > > > that a mouth-full :-) > > > > > > I think any other capability with scaling etc is add-on to the core > > > competency of Helix. > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Shirshanka Das <shirsha...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > Think about analogies to netty for network programming in Java > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________ > > > > From: kishore g <g.kish...@gmail.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:46 AM > > > > Subject: Re-define: What is Helix > > > > To: <u...@helix.apache.org>, <dev@helix.apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,This is something that has been bothering most of us. Should we > > callHelix > > > > *"clustermanagement framework"*? Its a framework alright, but is it > > > > clustermanager?- I am not sure. Cluster management is a broad term > and > > can > > > > meandifferent things to different people. But the most common > > understanding > > > > ofcluster management term is managing a set of machines and > > > > starting/stoppingprocesses on those machines. In other words, it > > cluster > > > > management issynonymous to a deployment solution.Because of this > > > > terminology, Helix is often compared with Mesos/YARN/Ambariand other > > > > frameworks that manage the start/stop of processes. I haveanswered > this > > > > athttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/16401412/apache-helix-vs-yarn > but > > > > everyone i talk to ask the same question again and again. For e.g. > some > > > > oneasked if they can put together a Hadoop Cluster using Helix. Here > > is the > > > > Hadoopecosystem table where Helix islabelled as system deployment.I > > feel the > > > > best way to clear this confusion is re-brand Helix as somethingelse > > that > > > > helps one understand what it is and when can some one use it.What do > > others > > > > think. Any suggestions on what we should re-brand it > as?thanks,Kishore > > G > > > > > > >
