Thanks for all of the replies. Glad we started this discussion! Voting is something that each Apache community needs to know how to do. So, let’s start as we mean to go on.
I understand the temptation to not vote if so-called ‘important’ people have already voted. It is true that some votes have more weight than others; but all votes are useful, because they give the Release Manager a more complete picture to make their decision. Listing what you checked is absolutely essential, not just during incubation. (‘+1’ votes with no explanation really bug me. I sometimes suspect that they are voting ‘+1’ just because they have seen everyone else doing so, and that’s worse than useless.) It reveals that different people have a different process for checking a release — which is a good thing, because we can learn from each other. Julian > On Dec 20, 2020, at 2:09 AM, Hans Van Akelyen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Julian, > > Thanks for the extra explanation, as stated by Matt I thought during > incubation the only votes that counted were those of the IPMC. > For me it is clear what should be checked. It is written down in the > incubator cookbook [1], but it is hard to find how or what approach you > need to take to check all these items thoroughly. > > eg. that icomoon.ttf file, I would have never noticed that we had it. > > Cheers, > Hans > > [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html > > > On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:12 AM Matt Casters > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I asked around and Hans even thought I couldn't or shouldn't vote. >> Thanks for listing the things you checked because it was and still is very >> unclear to me. >> >> Cheers, >> Matt >> >> Op zo 20 dec. 2020 08:43 schreef Bart Maertens <[email protected]>: >> >>> Hi Julian, >>> >>> Fair points, as always. >>> >>> I can only speak for myself, but I think most people in the community >>> mainly expected votes and feedback on this first RC from our mentors and >>> possibly other people who are more familiar with the Apache Way. >>> >>> That said, we can definitely do more. We can add some information about >> the >>> release process to our community page[1]: a brief explanation of the >>> release/voting process, a checklist of what the community can do to >> review >>> a release, a quick explanation of the binding vs non-binding votes etc. >>> There is a lot of information available about the release and voting >>> processes, but I guess expecting people to go out and find that >> information >>> on their own before they start to review and vote won't work. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bart >>> >>> [1] https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 1:20 AM Julian Hyde <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Hop community, >>>> >>>> “It takes a village to raise a child”, so the saying goes, and it >> takes a >>>> community to make a good release. Making releases, and in particular >>>> reviewing and voting for releases, is a central part of the Apache Way. >>>> >>>> Hans created a release candidate (RC) 3 days ago and so far there has >>> only >>>> been 1 vote [1]. I encourage everyone to download the release, review >> it, >>>> and send an email casting your vote. PPMC members’ votes are binding, >> but >>>> the opinion of committers and other people in the community matters, >> too. >>>> >>>> You might say, ‘What’s the point of voting, since Julian has already >> cast >>>> a -1 vote?’. Two reasons. First, a -1 vote is not a veto; a release >> vote >>>> with 5 +1 votes and 2 -1 votes would pass, because there are 3 more +1 >>>> votes than -1 votes. (That said, the release manager has the power to >>>> cancel a release candidate even if it has the enough +1 votes.) Second, >>>> even if the RC fails, we would like to know all of the issues in this >> RC >>> so >>>> that we can fix them in the next RC. >>>> >>>> So, please vote on RC1 as soon as you can. >>>> >>>> Hans, >>>> >>>> Usually the release manager casts a vote when they send out the vote >>>> email. E.g. “Here is my vote: +1.” >>>> >>>> Julian >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> >>> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r7415319f474f20c4715f291d27a133355124a9bd10aeccf1904b45c4%40%3Cdev.hop.apache.org%3E >>> >>
