Update: I moved the video and playlist to a Private status until this is discussed. In the meantime, we'll wait to hear some guidance from the PMC and community to advise. Otherwise, I suggest that Jonathan and Kevin create an unofficial community Apache Iceberg Meetups channel that follows the trademark guidelines: https://apache.org/foundation/marks/ but have asked them to give some time to let others respond.
Thanks all! On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 4:41 PM Brian Olsen <bitsondata...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Ryan, > > I will take that down, apologies for that confusion. I remember having > some discussion around this before and my recollection was this was more of > a concern about vendor content but after I read your reply I remembered > this was a more general ASF sentiment. So with that, I still think > distributing these through various channels would be valuable, while > exposing them through playlists. For example, we added the Data Council > talk you gave a while back where the video is hosted on Data Council's > channel, but we've added it to the "Iceberg Talks Playlist". > > Perhaps this would be a matter of having the PMC create some guidance on > certain playlists like the meetups playlist I just created and then I can > add videos from other channels that say Kevin and others own to upload > Iceberg meetups and we can push visibility to certain videos from their > channels that meet the criteria (like avoiding talks that are pushing a > particular vendor or product for example). Would this align more with what > you have in mind to avoid endorsements? > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 3:59 PM Ryan Blue <b...@databricks.com.invalid> > wrote: > >> I strongly prefer not posting meetup videos on an official Apache Iceberg >> channel. >> >> That's why we have up until now used the channel only for videos from >> sanctioned Iceberg events <https://www.youtube.com/@ApacheIceberg/videos>, >> like community syncs or the Apache Iceberg Summit. I wasn't aware that Bits >> posted the last Seattle meetup video. >> >> An "official" distribution channel like this (one controlled by the >> Iceberg PMC) needs to be careful about posting content because it can be >> seen as an endorsement and there are reasonable objections around posting >> some videos (for instance, they are strongly biased to a particular >> solution or vendor). I don't want the PMC to be in the business of deciding >> what gets to be on the official channel or not -- that's a whole set of >> arguments that I think we want to steer clear of. This is also the reason >> why the Iceberg site doesn't host blog posts, by the way. We originally had >> requests for people to post articles, but I don't think it is wise for the >> project to decide what opinions can be posted there. >> >> I think that we should remove the last meetup video and only post content >> like the community sync videos. For everything else, I think it is a good >> idea to have a separate channel. We can link to those channels to make them >> easy to find, but we don't want to be in the middle when someone has an >> opinion about what should or should not be posted and should not be seen as >> endorsing any particular solutions. >> >> Ryan >> >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:44 PM Jack Ye <yezhao...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> > posting/content management privileges to the Iceberg YouTube channel >>> for these meetup recordings >>> >>> This sounds reasonable to me, when the meetup is recurring. So I am good >>> with doing this for the Seattle meetup series. We have technically already >>> done so for Bits for the community sync meeting series. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> -Jack >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:23 PM Jonathan Leang <leangjonat...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey all, >>>> >>>> I have a question related to some questions about shared administration >>>> of Apache Iceberg social/marketing channels such as YouTube in this >>>> specific instance. Kevin Liu and I have organized the first Seattle Iceberg >>>> meetups and it looks like there will be a steady stream of technical talks >>>> about things like proposals and more generally recent developments in the >>>> project. Bits (Brian Olsen) helped us get the most recent meetup posted on >>>> the Apache Iceberg YouTube channel but we're hoping not to bother him every >>>> month. We're wondering if Kevin and/or I can get posting/content management >>>> privileges to the Iceberg YouTube channel for these meetup recordings. >>>> >>>> We asked Bits and he replied: >>>> It would be good to have some trusted people + PMC coordinate the >>>> social + marketing channels. In many projects I either see nobody really >>>> owning it and it becomes abandoned over time and other times I see it >>>> primarily run through one or two companies or individuals which doesn't >>>> scale. It would be great if a small group of trusted volunteers comanage >>>> these marketing channels with similar guidelines on how to coordinate when, >>>> channel "voice", and following standard ASF COC guidelines, etc... >>>> >>>> Perhaps Bits and/or a PMC member could take on the responsibility of >>>> building out the guidance on how to run this without too much overlap or >>>> interference as it scales out. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> Jonathan Leang >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> Ryan Blue >> Databricks >> >
