I didn't realize that the account was curating playlists. I'm trying to draw a parallel with the blog post example. Do we consider playlists links? I guess the question is whether it looks official. Would inclusion in a playlist be mistaken for an endorsement? Or would we get into unnecessary debates over what is appropriate for inclusion in a playlist?
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 3:39 PM Jack Ye <yezhao...@gmail.com> wrote: > Looking at https://www.youtube.com/@ApacheIceberg/playlists, there are > also many other talks and even tutorials, what about those? > > -Jack > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 2:45 PM Brian Olsen <bitsondata...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Update: I moved the video and playlist to a Private status until this is >> discussed. In the meantime, we'll wait to hear some guidance from the PMC >> and community to advise. Otherwise, I suggest that Jonathan and Kevin >> create an unofficial community Apache Iceberg Meetups channel that follows >> the trademark guidelines: https://apache.org/foundation/marks/ but >> have asked them to give some time to let others respond. >> >> Thanks all! >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 4:41 PM Brian Olsen <bitsondata...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hey Ryan, >>> >>> I will take that down, apologies for that confusion. I remember having >>> some discussion around this before and my recollection was this was more of >>> a concern about vendor content but after I read your reply I remembered >>> this was a more general ASF sentiment. So with that, I still think >>> distributing these through various channels would be valuable, while >>> exposing them through playlists. For example, we added the Data Council >>> talk you gave a while back where the video is hosted on Data Council's >>> channel, but we've added it to the "Iceberg Talks Playlist". >>> >>> Perhaps this would be a matter of having the PMC create some guidance on >>> certain playlists like the meetups playlist I just created and then I can >>> add videos from other channels that say Kevin and others own to upload >>> Iceberg meetups and we can push visibility to certain videos from their >>> channels that meet the criteria (like avoiding talks that are pushing a >>> particular vendor or product for example). Would this align more with what >>> you have in mind to avoid endorsements? >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 3:59 PM Ryan Blue <b...@databricks.com.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I strongly prefer not posting meetup videos on an official Apache >>>> Iceberg channel. >>>> >>>> That's why we have up until now used the channel only for videos from >>>> sanctioned Iceberg events >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/@ApacheIceberg/videos>, like community syncs >>>> or the Apache Iceberg Summit. I wasn't aware that Bits posted the last >>>> Seattle meetup video. >>>> >>>> An "official" distribution channel like this (one controlled by the >>>> Iceberg PMC) needs to be careful about posting content because it can be >>>> seen as an endorsement and there are reasonable objections around posting >>>> some videos (for instance, they are strongly biased to a particular >>>> solution or vendor). I don't want the PMC to be in the business of deciding >>>> what gets to be on the official channel or not -- that's a whole set of >>>> arguments that I think we want to steer clear of. This is also the reason >>>> why the Iceberg site doesn't host blog posts, by the way. We originally had >>>> requests for people to post articles, but I don't think it is wise for the >>>> project to decide what opinions can be posted there. >>>> >>>> I think that we should remove the last meetup video and only post >>>> content like the community sync videos. For everything else, I think it is >>>> a good idea to have a separate channel. We can link to those channels to >>>> make them easy to find, but we don't want to be in the middle when someone >>>> has an opinion about what should or should not be posted and should not be >>>> seen as endorsing any particular solutions. >>>> >>>> Ryan >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:44 PM Jack Ye <yezhao...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> > posting/content management privileges to the Iceberg YouTube channel >>>>> for these meetup recordings >>>>> >>>>> This sounds reasonable to me, when the meetup is recurring. So I am >>>>> good with doing this for the Seattle meetup series. We have technically >>>>> already done so for Bits for the community sync meeting series. >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>>> >>>>> -Jack >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:23 PM Jonathan Leang < >>>>> leangjonat...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a question related to some questions about shared >>>>>> administration of Apache Iceberg social/marketing channels such as >>>>>> YouTube >>>>>> in this specific instance. Kevin Liu and I have organized the first >>>>>> Seattle >>>>>> Iceberg meetups and it looks like there will be a steady stream of >>>>>> technical talks about things like proposals and more generally recent >>>>>> developments in the project. Bits (Brian Olsen) helped us get the most >>>>>> recent meetup posted on the Apache Iceberg YouTube channel but we're >>>>>> hoping >>>>>> not to bother him every month. We're wondering if Kevin and/or I can get >>>>>> posting/content management privileges to the Iceberg YouTube channel for >>>>>> these meetup recordings. >>>>>> >>>>>> We asked Bits and he replied: >>>>>> It would be good to have some trusted people + PMC coordinate the >>>>>> social + marketing channels. In many projects I either see nobody really >>>>>> owning it and it becomes abandoned over time and other times I see it >>>>>> primarily run through one or two companies or individuals which doesn't >>>>>> scale. It would be great if a small group of trusted volunteers comanage >>>>>> these marketing channels with similar guidelines on how to coordinate >>>>>> when, >>>>>> channel "voice", and following standard ASF COC guidelines, etc... >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps Bits and/or a PMC member could take on the responsibility of >>>>>> building out the guidance on how to run this without too much overlap or >>>>>> interference as it scales out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> Jonathan Leang >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ryan Blue >>>> Databricks >>>> >>> -- Ryan Blue Databricks
