Can people share what other projects do? And are there any related ASF guidelines out there about this?
-Jack -Jack On Thu, Jul 18, 2024, 3:57 PM Ryan Blue <b...@databricks.com.invalid> wrote: > I didn't realize that the account was curating playlists. I'm trying to > draw a parallel with the blog post example. Do we consider playlists links? > I guess the question is whether it looks official. Would inclusion in a > playlist be mistaken for an endorsement? Or would we get into unnecessary > debates over what is appropriate for inclusion in a playlist? > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 3:39 PM Jack Ye <yezhao...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Looking at https://www.youtube.com/@ApacheIceberg/playlists, there are >> also many other talks and even tutorials, what about those? >> >> -Jack >> >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 2:45 PM Brian Olsen <bitsondata...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Update: I moved the video and playlist to a Private status until this is >>> discussed. In the meantime, we'll wait to hear some guidance from the PMC >>> and community to advise. Otherwise, I suggest that Jonathan and Kevin >>> create an unofficial community Apache Iceberg Meetups channel that follows >>> the trademark guidelines: https://apache.org/foundation/marks/ but >>> have asked them to give some time to let others respond. >>> >>> Thanks all! >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 4:41 PM Brian Olsen <bitsondata...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Ryan, >>>> >>>> I will take that down, apologies for that confusion. I remember having >>>> some discussion around this before and my recollection was this was more of >>>> a concern about vendor content but after I read your reply I remembered >>>> this was a more general ASF sentiment. So with that, I still think >>>> distributing these through various channels would be valuable, while >>>> exposing them through playlists. For example, we added the Data Council >>>> talk you gave a while back where the video is hosted on Data Council's >>>> channel, but we've added it to the "Iceberg Talks Playlist". >>>> >>>> Perhaps this would be a matter of having the PMC create some guidance >>>> on certain playlists like the meetups playlist I just created and then I >>>> can add videos from other channels that say Kevin and others own to upload >>>> Iceberg meetups and we can push visibility to certain videos from their >>>> channels that meet the criteria (like avoiding talks that are pushing a >>>> particular vendor or product for example). Would this align more with what >>>> you have in mind to avoid endorsements? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 3:59 PM Ryan Blue <b...@databricks.com.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I strongly prefer not posting meetup videos on an official Apache >>>>> Iceberg channel. >>>>> >>>>> That's why we have up until now used the channel only for videos from >>>>> sanctioned Iceberg events >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/@ApacheIceberg/videos>, like community syncs >>>>> or the Apache Iceberg Summit. I wasn't aware that Bits posted the last >>>>> Seattle meetup video. >>>>> >>>>> An "official" distribution channel like this (one controlled by the >>>>> Iceberg PMC) needs to be careful about posting content because it can be >>>>> seen as an endorsement and there are reasonable objections around posting >>>>> some videos (for instance, they are strongly biased to a particular >>>>> solution or vendor). I don't want the PMC to be in the business of >>>>> deciding >>>>> what gets to be on the official channel or not -- that's a whole set of >>>>> arguments that I think we want to steer clear of. This is also the reason >>>>> why the Iceberg site doesn't host blog posts, by the way. We originally >>>>> had >>>>> requests for people to post articles, but I don't think it is wise for the >>>>> project to decide what opinions can be posted there. >>>>> >>>>> I think that we should remove the last meetup video and only post >>>>> content like the community sync videos. For everything else, I think it is >>>>> a good idea to have a separate channel. We can link to those channels to >>>>> make them easy to find, but we don't want to be in the middle when someone >>>>> has an opinion about what should or should not be posted and should not be >>>>> seen as endorsing any particular solutions. >>>>> >>>>> Ryan >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:44 PM Jack Ye <yezhao...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > posting/content management privileges to the Iceberg YouTube >>>>>> channel for these meetup recordings >>>>>> >>>>>> This sounds reasonable to me, when the meetup is recurring. So I am >>>>>> good with doing this for the Seattle meetup series. We have technically >>>>>> already done so for Bits for the community sync meeting series. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> -Jack >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:23 PM Jonathan Leang < >>>>>> leangjonat...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a question related to some questions about shared >>>>>>> administration of Apache Iceberg social/marketing channels such as >>>>>>> YouTube >>>>>>> in this specific instance. Kevin Liu and I have organized the first >>>>>>> Seattle >>>>>>> Iceberg meetups and it looks like there will be a steady stream of >>>>>>> technical talks about things like proposals and more generally recent >>>>>>> developments in the project. Bits (Brian Olsen) helped us get the most >>>>>>> recent meetup posted on the Apache Iceberg YouTube channel but we're >>>>>>> hoping >>>>>>> not to bother him every month. We're wondering if Kevin and/or I can get >>>>>>> posting/content management privileges to the Iceberg YouTube channel for >>>>>>> these meetup recordings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We asked Bits and he replied: >>>>>>> It would be good to have some trusted people + PMC coordinate the >>>>>>> social + marketing channels. In many projects I either see nobody really >>>>>>> owning it and it becomes abandoned over time and other times I see it >>>>>>> primarily run through one or two companies or individuals which doesn't >>>>>>> scale. It would be great if a small group of trusted volunteers comanage >>>>>>> these marketing channels with similar guidelines on how to coordinate >>>>>>> when, >>>>>>> channel "voice", and following standard ASF COC guidelines, etc... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps Bits and/or a PMC member could take on the responsibility of >>>>>>> building out the guidance on how to run this without too much overlap or >>>>>>> interference as it scales out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> Jonathan Leang >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ryan Blue >>>>> Databricks >>>>> >>>> > > -- > Ryan Blue > Databricks >
