This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these tickets were considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7 scope. I would say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
Third of current tickets are features on their final review stages (e.g. TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part is stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and another big part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support, etc.). So despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped around several big areas, and overall progress over this week should be very good. On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrak...@apache.org> wrote: > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all these tickets > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have" tickets in 2.7 > and move the rest to 2.8. > > D. > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com> > wrote: > > > Igniters, > > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets without > components: > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release. > > > > > > It means: > > > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs. > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces features. > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7 DUE TO > OCTOBER > > > 10*. > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7 version [1]. > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder #1, *the > > > deadline is near :)*. > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет: > > > > Agree with Andrey. > > > > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon. > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <stku...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination detection, > and > > > I'm > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have trivial yet > > > important > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge. > > > > > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections? > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744 > > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723 > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com > >: > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy discussion about > > SG > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss things before > > > agreement > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build agreements' > > > here. BTW > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the principal > > > place where > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions will be > > > building on > > > > > > the dev list. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov < > nizhi...@apache.org > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, guys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет: > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single > chance > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still keeping > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > alive. > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature involving > > > consensus > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after initial > > > public > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October we > will > > > see it > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about regressions > with > > > other > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of > efforts > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of that > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-release > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite internals > > in > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > middle > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost. This is > > > simply a > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush. Rush > > > during > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is known - bad > > > features, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to AI > 2.8 > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now? > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready. This > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > action > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the > > > product, and > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat > stabilization > > > effrots > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > other contributors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur < > > > > > > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented in > > > phase 1, > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we completely rework > > > component > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build the > > > base for > > > > > > > > > new features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607 > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes: > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment > > > > > > > > > > - versioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1 month > to > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests and > > > restart > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If this > > > type of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testing > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be unreasonable > to > > > expect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a > > > commenter, > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda < > > > dma...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context. In > > > general, I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully for > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the > > > year with > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhi...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in > > > discussion of > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service Grid > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task state: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned* both: > > > privately > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk, Anton > > > Vinogradov, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov) > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and gave > > > Vyacheslav > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on the > > > beginning > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > week. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to help > *by > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome. PR is > > > here [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive options > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned dates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the > > > year with > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of things > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release version > > > *when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you > > > mention was > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > named > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are trying > to > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value > > > Do-ocracy and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no > leaders > > > in open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > source, > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav. For > > > me, their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to lead an > > > > > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread that > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the community > > > still did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approve > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have not > > seen > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that the > > > Service Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release seems > > out > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We should > let > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drive the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and the > > > release is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy Pavlov > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dates-pushing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any > > > include/exclude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community disagreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion > with > > > results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution, even > > if > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so > > > fundamentally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy > > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is not, > > > then we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > include > > > > > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to force > > > them into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all > agreed > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy > > Pavlov > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is "community > did > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are out > of > > > scope". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir > > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is “it is > > up > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *community* > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy > > > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to > > discuss > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, > Vladimir > > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly > that > > > it is up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether release > of > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, > Dmitriy > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit for > > > services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 we are open-minded and we > don't > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 and services it is not some > new > > > feature, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known and > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready/ready to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > merge > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, > > > Vladimir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to > > perform > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > October. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then > we > > > wait a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again and > > > again, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for new > > > features to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an > agreement > > > that if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature is > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release, > instead > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shifting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when > decisions > > > are made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to let > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I'm not searching > > for > > > enemy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we are > > > hurrying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill > ticket > > > details, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks. It is > not > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source. Are > > > there any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of > > > features to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > released > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle > > > do-orcracy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer does > > > review, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > right of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some > closed > > > club of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 > > > Vyacheslav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daradur < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about > > > Service Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementation is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, > if > > > we talk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > code > > > > > > > > > > > > > freeze > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not ready > to > > > merge > > > > > > > > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if solution > > out > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at > 11:14 > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during > > WAL > > > flush > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > > > > > 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