I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It looks like a
release blocker to me.

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776

вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com>:

> Hi Anton,
>
>  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
>
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <kaa....@yandex.ru>:
>
> > Hi Igniters.
> >
> > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost fixed it.
> > It seems it should be include to scope.
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Anton Kalashnikov
> >
> >
> > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <dsetrak...@apache.org>:
> > > Thanks, got it.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute best to
> > finalize
> > >>  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think most of the
> > >>  contributors doing the same.
> > >>
> > >>  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com>:
> > >>
> > >>  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these
> tickets
> > were
> > >>  > considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7 scope.
> I
> > >>  would
> > >>  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Third of current tickets are features on their final review stages
> > (e.g.
> > >>  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part is
> > >>  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and another
> > big
> > >>  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support,
> > etc.). So
> > >>  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped
> around
> > >>  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week should be
> very
> > >>  good.
> > >>  >
> > >>  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > dsetrak...@apache.org>
> > >>  > wrote:
> > >>  >
> > >>  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all
> these
> > >>  > tickets
> > >>  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have"
> tickets
> > in
> > >>  2.7
> > >>  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > > D.
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > voze...@gridgain.com>
> > >>  > > wrote:
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > > > Igniters,
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets without
> > >>  > > components:
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > >
> > >>  >
> > >>
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > nizhi...@apache.org>
> > >>  > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > > It means:
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > >>  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces features.
> > >>  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7 DUE
> > TO
> > >>  > > OCTOBER
> > >>  > > > > 10*.
> > >>  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > > Thoughts?
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7 version
> > [1].
> > >>  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly reminder
> #1,
> > *the
> > >>  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > > [1]
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > >
> > >>  > >
> > >>  >
> > >>
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > >
> > >>  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > >>  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > >>  > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> > >>  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > >>  stku...@gmail.com
> > >>  > >
> > >>  > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > >>  > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination
> > >>  detection,
> > >>  > > and
> > >>  > > > > I'm
> > >>  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have
> trivial
> > yet
> > >>  > > > > important
> > >>  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > >>  > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > >>  > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > >>  > > > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > >>  > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > >>  > dpavlov....@gmail.com
> > >>  > > >:
> > >>  > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy
> > discussion
> > >>  > about
> > >>  > > > SG
> > >>  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss
> > things
> > >>  > before
> > >>  > > > > agreement
> > >>  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build
> > >>  > agreements'
> > >>  > > > > here. BTW
> > >>  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the
> > >>  principal
> > >>  > > > > place where
> > >>  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions
> > will
> > >>  be
> > >>  > > > > building on
> > >>  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > >>  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > >>  > > nizhi...@apache.org
> > >>  > > > >:
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov
> пишет:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a
> > single
> > >>  > > chance
> > >>  > > > > for
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > Service
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are
> still
> > >>  > keeping
> > >>  > > > hope
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > alive.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature
> > >>  involving
> > >>  > > > > consensus
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized
> after
> > >>  > initial
> > >>  > > > > public
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in
> > October
> > >>  we
> > >>  > > will
> > >>  > > > > see it
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about
> > regressions
> > >>  > > with
> > >>  > > > > other
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a
> lot
> > of
> > >>  > > efforts
> > >>  > > > > will be
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > put
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole
> purpose
> > of
> > >>  > that
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite
> > >>  > internals
> > >>  > > > in
> > >>  > > > > the
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > middle
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be
> lost.
> > >>  This
> > >>  > is
> > >>  > > > > simply a
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at
> > rush.
> > >>  > Rush
> > >>  > > > > during
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is
> > known -
> > >>  bad
> > >>  > > > > features,
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > which
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move
> > it to
> > >>  AI
> > >>  > > 2.8
> > >>  > > > > right
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > now?
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being
> ready.
> > >>  This
> > >>  > > > simple
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > action
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality
> > of the
> > >>  > > > > product, and
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat
> > >>  > > stabilization
> > >>  > > > > effrots
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur
> <
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com>
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be
> > implemented
> > >>  > in
> > >>  > > > > phase 1,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1
> > scope.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we
> > completely
> > >>  > rework
> > >>  > > > > component
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we
> > build
> > >>  > the
> > >>  > > > > base for
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy
> Setrakyan <
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org>
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign
> includes:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take
> about
> > 1
> > >>  > month
> > >>  > > to
> > >>  > > > > test
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > properly
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment
> > tests
> > >>  and
> > >>  > > > > restart
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > tests
> > >>  > > > > > > > > on
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight
> runs.
> > If
> > >>  > this
> > >>  > > > > type of
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > testing
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be
> > >>  > unreasonable
> > >>  > > to
> > >>  > > > > expect
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > this
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy
> Pavlov <
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com>
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but
> > not a
> > >>  > > > > commenter,
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > like
> > >>  > > > > > > > > me,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <
> > >>  > > > > dma...@apache.org>:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more
> > context.
> > >>  In
> > >>  > > > > general, I'm
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the
> > bunch of
> > >>  > new
> > >>  > > > > cool
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > features.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the
> > end of
> > >>  > the
> > >>  > > > > year with
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > SG
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay
> > Izhikov
> > >>  <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > nizhi...@apache.org>
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions
> > in
> > >>  > > > > discussion of
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > any
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about:
> > Service
> > >>  > Grid
> > >>  > > > > redesign
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > a
> > >>  > > > > > > > > big
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current
> task
> > >>  state:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and
> aligned*
> > >>  both:
> > >>  > > > > privately
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > with
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey
> Goncharyuk,
> > >>  Anton
> > >>  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is
> > done.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution
> > and
> > >>  gave
> > >>  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > a
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day
> or
> > >>  two.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov
> review
> > on
> > >>  the
> > >>  > > > > beginning
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > next
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants
> to
> > >>  help
> > >>  > > *by
> > >>  > > > > doing
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > things,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are
> > welcome.
> > >>  PR
> > >>  > is
> > >>  > > > > here [1]
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually
> exclusive
> > >>  > options
> > >>  > > > > regarding
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release scope.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the
> > bunch of
> > >>  > new
> > >>  > > > > cool
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > features.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the
> > end of
> > >>  > the
> > >>  > > > > year with
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > SG
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot
> of
> > >>  > things
> > >>  > > > can
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > happen.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG
> release
> > >>  > version
> > >>  > > > > *when it
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > will
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy
> > Pavlov
> > >>  > > пишет:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The
> > thread you
> > >>  > > > > mention was
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members
> are
> > >>  > trying
> > >>  > > to
> > >>  > > > > take
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > over the
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I
> > value
> > >>  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > power
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There
> are
> > no
> > >>  > > leaders
> > >>  > > > > in open
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and
> > Vyacheslav.
> > >>  > For
> > >>  > > > > me, their
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready
> to
> > >>  lead
> > >>  > an
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > additional
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for
> me.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy
> > >>  > Setrakyan <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this
> > thread
> > >>  > that
> > >>  > > > > Service
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > Grid
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the
> > >>  > community
> > >>  > > > > still did
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I
> > have
> > >>  not
> > >>  > > > seen
> > >>  > > > > any
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > design
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence
> > that
> > >>  the
> > >>  > > > > Service Grid
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7
> > release
> > >>  > seems
> > >>  > > > out
> > >>  > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > question
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager.
> We
> > >>  should
> > >>  > > let
> > >>  > > > > him
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job
> > and
> > >>  the
> > >>  > > > > release is
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > going
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM
> Dmitriy
> > >>  > Pavlov
> > >>  > > <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com>
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense
> with
> > >>  > release
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any
> > >>  > > > > include/exclude
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > something
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community
> > >>  > disagreed.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate
> > discussion
> > >>  > > with
> > >>  > > > > results
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > of the
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their
> > contribution,
> > >>  > even
> > >>  > > > if
> > >>  > > > > we
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > need
> > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of
> > days
> > >>  > > more.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates
> > are so
> > >>  > > > > fundamentally
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > important
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20,
> Dmitriy
> > >>  > > > Setrakyan <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org>:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which
> it
> > is
> > >>  > not,
> > >>  > > > > then we
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > should
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no
> need
> > to
> > >>  > force
> > >>  > > > > them into
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > I
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we
> > all
> > >>  > > agreed
> > >>  > > > > on.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM
> > Dmitriy
> > >>  > > > Pavlov
> > >>  > > > > <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com>
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is
> > >>  "community
> > >>  > > did
> > >>  > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > make
> > >>  > > > > > > > > any
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/
> services
> > are
> > >>  > out
> > >>  > > of
> > >>  > > > > scope".
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my
> > >>  confusion.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19,
> > >>  Vladimir
> > >>  > > > > Ozerov <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement
> > is
> > >>  “it
> > >>  > is
> > >>  > > > up
> > >>  > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11,
> > >>  Dmitriy
> > >>  > > > > Pavlov <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the
> > community to
> > >>  > > > discuss
> > >>  > > > > after
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > their
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> 11:09,
> > >>  > > Vladimir
> > >>  > > > > Ozerov <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words
> > correctly
> > >>  > > that
> > >>  > > > > it is up
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether
> > >>  release
> > >>  > > of
> > >>  > > > > all
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > other
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > features
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 11:00,
> > >>  > > Dmitriy
> > >>  > > > > Pavlov
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a
> > bit
> > >>  for
> > >>  > > > > services
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > because
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 we are open-minded
> and
> > we
> > >>  > > don't
> > >>  > > > > have
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > outside
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 and services it is
> not
> > >>  some
> > >>  > > new
> > >>  > > > > feature,
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > which
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well
> > known
> > >>  and
> > >>  > > > > important
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > feature.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to
> > Vyacheslav,
> > >>  > Anton
> > >>  > > > and
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > decide.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be
> > services are
> > >>  > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > ready/ready to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > merge
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and
> to
> > >>  2.7.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 10:46,
> > >>  > > > > Vladimir
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement
> > was to
> > >>  > > > perform
> > >>  > > > > the
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > release
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for
> > services.
> > >>  Then
> > >>  > > we
> > >>  > > > > wait a
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > bit for
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then
> > again
> > >>  and
> > >>  > > > > again, and
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > release
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting
> > for
> > >>  new
> > >>  > > > > features to
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > come,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > already
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by
> > anyone.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have
> an
> > >>  > > agreement
> > >>  > > > > that if
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > feature is
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future
> > release,
> > >>  > > instead
> > >>  > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > shifting
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates
> when
> > >>  > > decisions
> > >>  > > > > are made
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > is
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > to let
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018
> at
> > >>  2:22
> > >>  > AM
> > >>  > > > > Dmitriy
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com>
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I'm not
> > >>  > searching
> > >>  > > > for
> > >>  > > > > enemy,
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > and
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases
> > when we
> > >>  > are
> > >>  > > > > hurrying.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test,
> > fill
> > >>  > > ticket
> > >>  > > > > details,
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > can't
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > wait
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks.
> > It
> > >>  is
> > >>  > > not
> > >>  > > > > best
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > idea
> > >>  > > > > > > > > to
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > use
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open
> > source.
> > >>  > Are
> > >>  > > > > there any
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community?
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised
> > rest of
> > >>  > > > > features to be
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > released
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September?
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember
> > principle
> > >>  > > > > do-orcracy,
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > power of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and
> > reviewer
> > >>  > does
> > >>  > > > > review,
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > let's
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > give
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to
> > some
> > >>  > > closed
> > >>  > > > > club of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > people
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > who
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018
> г.,
> > >>  23:42
> > >>  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > Daradur <
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written
> > about
> > >>  > > > > Service Grid
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > before [1]
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be
> sure
> > >>  that
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > implementation is
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including
> it
> > in
> > >>  > 2.7,
> > >>  > > if
> > >>  > > > > we talk
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > that
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > code
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > freeze
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is
> not
> > >>  ready
> > >>  > > to
> > >>  > > > > merge
> > >>  > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > yet.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that
> > >>  prereviewers
> > >>  > > > Anton
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > Vinogradov
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if
> > >>  > solution
> > >>  > > > out
> > >>  > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > scope or
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days.
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > >



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  Andrey Kuznetsov.

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