We really don't need to be discussing marketing with Juergen, as he's
not yet on the team. As for his comment: "As for playing with the Wiki,
there should be a Sandbox page, which would be world writeable and which
should be deleted by a batch job every hour or so", he's just being
generous with other people's time and responsibilities (nobody, after
all, is stopping him from running his own public JSPWiki sandbox.) The
team decides whether we want a Sandbox, and we've already determined
earlier we don't want to manage it and deal with the responsibilities
and headaches of people uploading illegal or privacy-infringing content,
that there is better use of our limited time on the project, and that
people can view our own Wiki instance as well as test JSPWiki locally to
confirm if they want it.
Whether or not we have a sandbox or personal pages is an opportunity
cost, marketing and legal matter that is not a concern of users, they
don't need to get into that. Whether or not JSPWiki works, and how it
works is one thing for users to comment on, but marketing is not a user
concern.
Nonetheless I thank Juergen for noting the heavy commits recently
(although from the link below I'm not sure what is the spam that he's
talking about, it looks like normal commits), as it allowed me to notice
someone attaching non-Apache licensed material (a Dilbert cartoon).
Glen
On 08/21/2014 11:43 AM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote:
[Switching to dev, so everyone can hop in]
As for now, we show an advice on the footer, stating that the content is
AL; maybe we should reword that so it's made clearer, as it's seen on every
page. If don't state that the content is AL there, I could upload my own
plugin without knowing or linking the ContributedPlugins page and I could
argue that the copyright notice wasn't visible.
Regarding personal pages, right now, I'd leave them, as the signal-to-noise
ratio is still high, and those pages link, or contain valuable
info/contributed plugins. If it worsens I'd be would be in favour of being
stricter granting rw access, but for now it seems to me ok, as a large % of
those personal/sandbox pages are ending up in being proper contributions.
In any case, I'm eager to hear what others think about this, and won't mind
to change my opinion if enough people think we should be stricter / would
be nice to have a sandbox wiki / etc.
br,
juan pablo
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Jürgen Weber <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Juan Pablo,
actually I think personal pages at an apache.org site is not a good idea.
We should ask Glen about this. Especially reading what he wrote here:
https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Diff.jsp?page=ContributedPlugins&r1=13&r2=12
One could even be more strict with added content and require that it go
via a JIRA attachment..
As for playing with the Wiki, there should be a Sandbox page, which would
be world writeable and which should be deleted by a batch job every hour or
so.
But we should discuss this, either via a Jira or on dev.
Greetings, Jürgen
Am 19.08.2014 17:27 schrieb "Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez" <
[email protected]>:
Hi Jürgen,
thanks for looking into this! I've checked to see what type of content is
being posted, but they seem to me as personal/sandbox pages, created from
different IPs, which was somewhat usual/normal when hosted at
www.jspwiki.org. Do you think the wiki should stick to documentation (or
perhaps we should use another wiki instance to host this kind of pages)? As
it was difficult to get the VM and wiki running, we sticked to one
instance, but we could set up for another redirection if needed (however, I
feel that this kind of decision should be made at dev@)
For now, let's wait to see how they evolve, or if new spam-suspicious
pages are created. If they come to be spam, we could follow the same policy
followed by the infra guys, that is, grant access to anyone who asks on
[email protected], for instance, or whatever we decide at dev@..
cheers,
juan pablo
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Jürgen Weber <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Juan Pablo,
looks like the jspwiki-wiki.apache.org is beeing spammed:
https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Wiki.jsp?page=RecentChanges
I guess new users should be closed, which is a pity.
How could one restrict the valid users? Only ones, that have written
something serious on the mailing list? Only G+ accounts? Only apache
accounts?
Greetings, Juergen
